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Iranian backed Yemen military forces shooting an Iranian missile into American ships means the USA needs to respond. The question is how proportionally. Last ti

Iranian backed Yemen military forces shooting an Iranian missile into American ships means the USA needs to respond. The question is how proportionally. Last time Iran attacked a US warship they lost half their navy in eight hours. This time we seem to be trying to de-escalate and not trying to pull them into a larger war. Not that Israel and Saudi Arabia would hate to see the military capability of Tehran neutralized…

IAmGraydon 3y ago
>Last time Iran attacked a US warship they lost half their navy in eight hours. It’s truly weird how much I see this mindless comment exactly duplicated with zero context. Context: the Iranian Navy consisted of very few ships.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
  Source please? I'd like to read more about this. Because according to wikipedia- 5 Iranian ships were sunk during Operating Praying Mantis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Praying_Mantis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Praying_Mantis
  - ceejayoz 3y ago
    Three of those are "speedboats" (these sorts of things: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashura-class_speedboat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashura-class_speedboat), and one's a "gunboat". Only one of the five vessels (the frigate) lost would typically be called a "ship".
    - 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
      Yeah. It also says that the US showed mercy after hitting the other frigate with a 500lb bomb and allowed it to limp away. They've edited their post- they originally claimed Iran had two ships in their navy.
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- jjoonathan 3y ago
  It's a good meme with a good story that goes viral in every community where this kind of story can go viral. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5v6hlRyeHE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5v6hlRyeHE
- differingopinio 3y ago
  Almost as if it were coordinated
baybal2 3y ago
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bushbaba 3y ago
Iran much like Hitler will not respond to appeasement. Let’s not repeat the mistake of our forefather with a “peace in our time” type of approach.
- Voultapher 3y ago
  George Washington will not respond to appeasement. Let’s not repeat the mistake of our forefather with a “peace in our time” type of approach. By all accounts Iran has many reasons to view the U.S.A as a violent oppressor. Personally I disagree with many parts of the ideology the Iranian regime is pushing. But comparing that situation to Nazi Germany and ww2 is very misguided and uninformed. I'd argue the closest to wide scale genocide that I'm aware of was recently in Ethiopia in the Tigray. Right after the President had received a nobel peace price. And we didn't see the U.S.A lift a finger. Viewing the military campaigns as bringing freedom and "western" values to savages is the kind of provably false propaganda the US military wants you to believe.
solardev 3y ago
Why are we in the area to begin with, inserting ourselves into these volatile conflict zones? We keep doing that and then acting surprised when we get caught in the crossfire =/
- dmix 3y ago
  They've already shot down multiple ballistic missiles / drones targeting Israel and is a counter balance so Hezbollah and Syrian militias don't get involved which will create a situation where a much bigger US response will be needed. Deterrence usually reduces conflict more than instigates it. They are also protecting commercial civilian ships being targeted. China has warships there too and they didn't bother. Houthi are going after Israeli stuff anyway and only targeting the US because they completely neuter their capabilities. If the US isn't there missiles will still be flying over the Red Sea and civilian ships being hijacked.
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- WillAdams 3y ago
  How much are you personally paying for transportation (powered by petroleum), energy (whether home heating oil, or inexpensive electricity made possible by an energy market whose rock-bottom price depends on petrochemicals being pumped out of the ground), plastic tchotchkes (which depend on petrochemicals being inexpensive)?
  - solardev 3y ago
    Not enough, if it's just enabling continuous proxy wars abraod.
  - csomar 3y ago
    The US does not depend on this lane though. China and Europe do, however.
    - bushbaba 3y ago
andrewflnr 3y ago
> It remained unclear what damage, if any, the vessels sustained in the attacks. De-escalation seems like the right move here.
csomar 3y ago
Based on current accounts, it seems that the adversaries of the US have evolved much that the US can’t pull stuff it pulled before. That and they are leveraging asymmetric warfare as much as they can.
vGPU 3y ago
Their “navy” consisted of 9 “ships”, of which 6 were speedboats. Like the kind you go fishing on. The US probably spent more money on the ammunition to sink them than they were worth.

IAmGraydon 3y ago

>Last time Iran attacked a US warship they lost half their navy in eight hours. It’s truly weird how much I see this mindless comment exactly duplicated with zero context. Context: the Iranian Navy consisted of very few ships.

2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
Source please? I'd like to read more about this. Because according to wikipedia- 5 Iranian ships were sunk during Operating Praying Mantis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Praying_Mantis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Praying_Mantis
- ceejayoz 3y ago
  Three of those are "speedboats" (these sorts of things: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashura-class_speedboat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashura-class_speedboat), and one's a "gunboat". Only one of the five vessels (the frigate) lost would typically be called a "ship".
  - 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
    Yeah. It also says that the US showed mercy after hitting the other frigate with a 500lb bomb and allowed it to limp away. They've edited their post- they originally claimed Iran had two ships in their navy.
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jjoonathan 3y ago
It's a good meme with a good story that goes viral in every community where this kind of story can go viral. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5v6hlRyeHE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5v6hlRyeHE
differingopinio 3y ago
Almost as if it were coordinated

baybal2 3y ago

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bushbaba 3y ago

Iran much like Hitler will not respond to appeasement. Let’s not repeat the mistake of our forefather with a “peace in our time” type of approach.

Voultapher 3y ago
George Washington will not respond to appeasement. Let’s not repeat the mistake of our forefather with a “peace in our time” type of approach. By all accounts Iran has many reasons to view the U.S.A as a violent oppressor. Personally I disagree with many parts of the ideology the Iranian regime is pushing. But comparing that situation to Nazi Germany and ww2 is very misguided and uninformed. I'd argue the closest to wide scale genocide that I'm aware of was recently in Ethiopia in the Tigray. Right after the President had received a nobel peace price. And we didn't see the U.S.A lift a finger. Viewing the military campaigns as bringing freedom and "western" values to savages is the kind of provably false propaganda the US military wants you to believe.

solardev 3y ago

Why are we in the area to begin with, inserting ourselves into these volatile conflict zones? We keep doing that and then acting surprised when we get caught in the crossfire =/

dmix 3y ago
They've already shot down multiple ballistic missiles / drones targeting Israel and is a counter balance so Hezbollah and Syrian militias don't get involved which will create a situation where a much bigger US response will be needed. Deterrence usually reduces conflict more than instigates it. They are also protecting commercial civilian ships being targeted. China has warships there too and they didn't bother. Houthi are going after Israeli stuff anyway and only targeting the US because they completely neuter their capabilities. If the US isn't there missiles will still be flying over the Red Sea and civilian ships being hijacked.
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WillAdams 3y ago
How much are you personally paying for transportation (powered by petroleum), energy (whether home heating oil, or inexpensive electricity made possible by an energy market whose rock-bottom price depends on petrochemicals being pumped out of the ground), plastic tchotchkes (which depend on petrochemicals being inexpensive)?
- solardev 3y ago
  Not enough, if it's just enabling continuous proxy wars abraod.
- csomar 3y ago
  The US does not depend on this lane though. China and Europe do, however.
  - bushbaba 3y ago

andrewflnr 3y ago

> It remained unclear what damage, if any, the vessels sustained in the attacks. De-escalation seems like the right move here.

csomar 3y ago

Based on current accounts, it seems that the adversaries of the US have evolved much that the US can’t pull stuff it pulled before. That and they are leveraging asymmetric warfare as much as they can.

vGPU 3y ago

Their “navy” consisted of 9 “ships”, of which 6 were speedboats. Like the kind you go fishing on. The US probably spent more money on the ammunition to sink them than they were worth.