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How much difference would that make to my argument?

Whoppertime 3y ago
It's easy to say "just be in poverty you'll earn it back some day" when you don't have kids to feed or pay for the school tuition, Christmas presents or other associated expenses
- loopdoend 3y ago
  Op is not talking about real poverty here, these are AI tech workers whose skills are in high demand.
- nonrandomstring 3y ago
  Isn't it easy to say anything, and almost always harder to back it up with actions? Actions that require sacrifice and personal inconvenience for the benefit of others - specifically, your children who will benefit in the future. Ever refused your kid that "pester power" plastic toy, even though it meant screaming tantrums? It's even harder to be unpopular, and even worse having to see those you love suffer present hardship while unable to fully understand the sacrifices you make for their future security. What it comes down to is what kind of a person you are. Leaders in life don't habitually choose short-term popularity and safety. This tension (and I think widespread misunderstanding) underwrites so much at stake today; Will you leave your car and take public transport, even while your kid is whining at you that other parents all take the car, remaining resolute that you have their real long-term interests at heart? Will you fight in a war, knowing you may well die, so your country or way of life won't be wiped out? Not working at a shitty tech company - when you know it's very organising principle is to spy on, exploit and deceive you and your family - is frankly a bloody good investment for the future, even if it means eating cold baked beans from a can for a while. All parents and leaders know that life sometimes requires making sacrifices. Just sometimes they are aren't the obvious ones. I'm sure you are not the kind of person is happy only so long as it's others who are making the sacrifices for the security of your grandchildren?
  - rybosome 3y ago
    And what sorts of difficult sacrifices are you making for the good of others?
    - nonrandomstring 3y ago
      Again, how would that effect my argument? Maybe I could be a callous crook who built an empire of misery on the bones of small suffering children, and then - repenting upon hearing the word of the Lord (or something), made these professions. Would it add or subtract from the truth value of what I said?

It's easy to say "just be in poverty you'll earn it back some day" when you don't have kids to feed or pay for the school tuition, Christmas presents or other associated expenses

loopdoend 3y ago
Op is not talking about real poverty here, these are AI tech workers whose skills are in high demand.
nonrandomstring 3y ago
Isn't it easy to say anything, and almost always harder to back it up with actions? Actions that require sacrifice and personal inconvenience for the benefit of others - specifically, your children who will benefit in the future. Ever refused your kid that "pester power" plastic toy, even though it meant screaming tantrums? It's even harder to be unpopular, and even worse having to see those you love suffer present hardship while unable to fully understand the sacrifices you make for their future security. What it comes down to is what kind of a person you are. Leaders in life don't habitually choose short-term popularity and safety. This tension (and I think widespread misunderstanding) underwrites so much at stake today; Will you leave your car and take public transport, even while your kid is whining at you that other parents all take the car, remaining resolute that you have their real long-term interests at heart? Will you fight in a war, knowing you may well die, so your country or way of life won't be wiped out? Not working at a shitty tech company - when you know it's very organising principle is to spy on, exploit and deceive you and your family - is frankly a bloody good investment for the future, even if it means eating cold baked beans from a can for a while. All parents and leaders know that life sometimes requires making sacrifices. Just sometimes they are aren't the obvious ones. I'm sure you are not the kind of person is happy only so long as it's others who are making the sacrifices for the security of your grandchildren?
- rybosome 3y ago
  And what sorts of difficult sacrifices are you making for the good of others?
  - nonrandomstring 3y ago
    Again, how would that effect my argument? Maybe I could be a callous crook who built an empire of misery on the bones of small suffering children, and then - repenting upon hearing the word of the Lord (or something), made these professions. Would it add or subtract from the truth value of what I said?