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Imagine if Elon's companies sourced from each other. The travesty! I see nothing wrong here.
by andrew_ 3y ago
Imagine if Elon's companies sourced from each other. The travesty!
I see nothing wrong here.
- loceng 3y agoYou don't think that's at least a bit of an apples to oranges comparison?
- darkerside 3y agoWell, that's why it's phrased as a joke. So they can shrink from and deny any possible conflict.
- andrew_ 3y agoPersonally directed comments aren't typically welcome here. Attack the topic or opinion, not the person.
- darkerside 3y agoI wasn't attacking the person, rather the style of argument being made. Ironically, your follow up comment does point out the typical HN rush to judgment, a much more literal ad hominem.
- loceng 3y agoIt's been at least the last 5 years that an ideological mob has seemed to gain traction here.
- andrew_ 3y agoad hominem? look in the mirror friend. > So they can shrink from and deny any possible conflict. you quite literally insinuated negative motive and action to follow directed towards an individual using a pronoun. take some personal responsibility.
- darkerside 3y agoAn ad hominem is typically based on past actions and character. I know nothing of yours. It's just your argument itself that was shallow and insubstantive. You can take that personally, but it's not. Is there another reason you were joking instead of just making your point?
- andrew_ 3y agoI don't. And I'll take the points hit. OpenAI isn't a government agency or entity. They're free to no-bid or to use and purchase resources that someone within the company has ties to. The replies here are loaded with accusations of fraud; A typical HN rush to judgement.
- darkerside 3y agoConflict of interest is not fraud. It's conflict of interest. And it's possible in public and private organizations of all kinds.
- loceng 3y agoIt started off as a not-for-profit and $100+ million from Elon, and then somehow transitioned into having a for-profit wing. Do you see any ethical issues with that?
- leobg 3y agoElon is the owner. Altman is a hired CEO.
- andrew_ 3y agoAnd? Musk's companies are separate business entities.
- airstrike 3y agoBut since he owns them, he can do whatever he wants with them? Unless you're arguing he's forming a trust / cartel, which I don't think is the issue being debated here
- avarun 3y agoHe doesn't wholly own any of them though?
- airstrike 3y agoyou don't need whole ownership to control a company, just a controlling interest
- jwestbury 3y agoSure - but this holds for public companies, too, especially those with different classes of share. For instance, Drew Houston has >50% voting power for Dropbox, despite it being a public company in which he nominally owns <50% of shares. Having investors, even if you own a controlling interest, still has implications on company decisions and possible legal action.
- phpisthebest 3y agoYes and no... 1. Many people would still scream bloody murder because they do not like Elon 2. When it comes to Tesla it is a public company so Elon has a duty of care to the public shareholders 3. even for the Private companies, Elon is not the SOLE owner, not even of twitter, so he still has a duty to the other minor shareholders, being a majority shareholder gives you lots of authority, but not unlimited authority. If he was the Sole shareholder it would be different.