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You don't know that for a fact, you're speculating

loceng 3y ago
Ironically you're making an assumption, speculating, and maybe they do know that for a fact - but we just don't simply know why they'd know, or if it's true. The best you can say is we don't know for sure. But considering the board initially fired him for being dishonest/lying in an ongoing fashion, and the board wouldn't do the firing without evidence they could back it up with, it's not so hard to extrapolate that a return would be conditional on a deeper investigation and "full" cooperation.
- keep_reading 3y ago
  > and the board wouldn't do the firing without evidence they could back it up with Where's the evidence then? Why did they reinstate him if they had such amazing evidence of wrongdoing?
  - FireBeyond 3y ago
    I didn't think the board reinstated him. Or not that board. That board was completely replaced.
nabla9 3y ago
The firing was about "Altman not being honest with the board." Since then, journalists have talked to both sides on and off the record and confirmed that the only reason for firing was distrust for Altman's honesty. Altman's history seems to match. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/11/22/sam-altman-fired-y-combinator-paul-graham/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/11/22/sam-alt... >Four years ago, one of Altman’s mentors, Y Combinator founder Paul Graham, flew from the United Kingdom to San Francisco to give his protégé the boot, according to three people familiar with the incident, which has not been previously reported. .... he flew across the Atlantic with concerns that the company’s president put his own interests ahead of the organization — worries that would be echoed by OpenAI’s board. >A separate concern, unrelated to his initial firing, was that Altman personally invested in start-ups he discovered through the incubator using a fund he created with his brother Jack — a kind of double-dipping for personal enrichment that was practiced by other founders and later limited by the organization. “It was the school of loose management that is all about prioritizing what’s in it for me,”
- FartyMcFarter 3y ago
  There has also been at least one former OpenAI employee stating that Altman lied to him multiple times [1]. By itself this wouldn't be worth much, but it adds to the claims of Altman not being an honest guy. [1] https://x.com/geoffreyirving/status/1726754277618491416?s=20 https://x.com/geoffreyirving/status/1726754277618491416?s=20
  - xyzzy4747 3y ago
    Maybe Altman values achieving a particular goal more than honesty.
    - pseudalopex 3y ago
      Everyone who lies values something more than honesty. What is your point?
nl 3y ago
Most of the stories about the firing included the fact that Altman was raising money for a chip startup from middle eastern funds. It sounds a lot like background briefing to me...

Ironically you're making an assumption, speculating, and maybe they do know that for a fact - but we just don't simply know why they'd know, or if it's true. The best you can say is we don't know for sure. But considering the board initially fired him for being dishonest/lying in an ongoing fashion, and the board wouldn't do the firing without evidence they could back it up with, it's not so hard to extrapolate that a return would be conditional on a deeper investigation and "full" cooperation.

keep_reading 3y ago
> and the board wouldn't do the firing without evidence they could back it up with Where's the evidence then? Why did they reinstate him if they had such amazing evidence of wrongdoing?
- FireBeyond 3y ago
  I didn't think the board reinstated him. Or not that board. That board was completely replaced.

nabla9 3y ago

The firing was about "Altman not being honest with the board." Since then, journalists have talked to both sides on and off the record and confirmed that the only reason for firing was distrust for Altman's honesty. Altman's history seems to match. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/11/22/sam-altman-fired-y-combinator-paul-graham/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/11/22/sam-alt... >Four years ago, one of Altman’s mentors, Y Combinator founder Paul Graham, flew from the United Kingdom to San Francisco to give his protégé the boot, according to three people familiar with the incident, which has not been previously reported. .... he flew across the Atlantic with concerns that the company’s president put his own interests ahead of the organization — worries that would be echoed by OpenAI’s board. >A separate concern, unrelated to his initial firing, was that Altman personally invested in start-ups he discovered through the incubator using a fund he created with his brother Jack — a kind of double-dipping for personal enrichment that was practiced by other founders and later limited by the organization. “It was the school of loose management that is all about prioritizing what’s in it for me,”

FartyMcFarter 3y ago
There has also been at least one former OpenAI employee stating that Altman lied to him multiple times [1]. By itself this wouldn't be worth much, but it adds to the claims of Altman not being an honest guy. [1] https://x.com/geoffreyirving/status/1726754277618491416?s=20 https://x.com/geoffreyirving/status/1726754277618491416?s=20
- xyzzy4747 3y ago
  Maybe Altman values achieving a particular goal more than honesty.
  - pseudalopex 3y ago
    Everyone who lies values something more than honesty. What is your point?

nl 3y ago

Most of the stories about the firing included the fact that Altman was raising money for a chip startup from middle eastern funds. It sounds a lot like background briefing to me...