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He has been accused on Twitter of "climbing in her bed non-consensually" when he was 13 (and she 4). She has also explicitly said she doesn't actually want lega

He has been accused on Twitter of "climbing in her bed non-consensually" when he was 13 (and she 4). She has also explicitly said she doesn't actually want legal action for "experiences between a baby child and a tween child", again suggesting that anything that happened only happened when he was a child. She also has a history of mental illness.

doodlebugging 3y ago
>She also has a history of mental illness. Was this diagnosed before he climbed into her bed when she was 4 y.o.? I'm no psychologist and I don't know what her own diagnosis involves but it seems that this diagnosis could be identifying a condition that resulted from abuse dealt by someone that she normally would trust. Overall from what I have read the last few weeks Altman seems to be an unethical sleeze who decides how to proceed on everything based on an analysis of what he can get for himself - the perfect type of person who would abuse someone who he saw as being in a weaker position, like his little sister with no thought to how that would affect her later in life.
- tsimionescu 3y ago
  The point is that we don't know if what she is saying is true. I believe that she believes what she is saying, but that doesn't necessarily make it true. Per all that she has said, this is a memory from when she was 4 - it could be extremely distorted by now. Even if it is entirely true (her family denies it), he was a small child when doing it - it is very much believable that at 13 he wouldn't even fully understand what that means.
  - mlazos 3y ago
    I don’t think it matters if he understands, imo if this is actually true (which we will never know) that’s definitely messed up. Most 13 year olds know that this is wrong.
    - doodlebugging 3y ago
      >Most 13 year olds know that this is wrong. Definitely true where I'm from.
  - doodlebugging 3y ago
    I don't know where you're from but when I was 13 I had a paying job throwing newspapers before sunrise. I did all my payment collections door to door though my Mom had to drive me to the route every morning. It was my first job and was a great introduction to job-related responsibilities. At 13 years old, he should've been mature enough to understand when he would be crossing a line but instead he was not taught clear boundary issues. Was it because of bad parenting where they set no boundaries because he was the oldest son or something cultural? I don't know but at any rate in my view there is no universe where he didn't know that he was doing something wrong. He went for personal satisfaction over everything else just like he does in his dealings today. Pretty funny seeing all the downvotes I get on this thread. I am pretty sure in real life that I would not want to hang out or socialize with any of the enabling cowards who support someone who could do this to his little sister and who could walk through life with so few restraints on his own behavior. Pretty pathetic.
gumballindie 3y ago
> only happened when he was a child Between downplaying the significance of what he did and discrediting the victim i cant tell whether his followers have a similar past or simply bend over to anyone that projects power. I can understand this coming from people in countries where the cult of personality is still alive but not in the western world.
- tsimionescu 3y ago
  We don't know if he did anything. And what he is accused of doing is actually quite vague, and at any rate it dates since he was a child. Not a young man, not an adolescent, but a pre-pubescent child. How much can you hold against someone who possibly didn't even understand what he was doing, even assuming she is completely right that this happened (her whole family denies it).
  - pseudalopex 3y ago
    We don't know if he did anything. But you did play down the accusations. Most people don't infantilize 13 year olds so much. Pubescent or not. And how do you know when Sam Altman began puberty? How much I would hold against someone would depend on what they did to make amends. Family denial is very common. And how would they know? We can say we don't know if he did anything without bad arguments or reducing the accusations.
Der_Einzige 3y ago
You are being dishonest. She’s accused him of far more than that! But being that HN is ran by PG zealots, actually discussion of these allegations will be muzzled before it hurts anyone’s bottom line…
- tsimionescu 3y ago
  She has said "I have been sexually, physically, and financially abused by members of my family, especially Sam Altman and sometimes Jack as well". This, plus the other two quotes in my previous comment, are the most she has actually said, from what I've seen.
- gumballindie 3y ago
  My guess is that he's protected by microsoft and affiliated media. But once he's served his purpose and the lid raised the accusations will resurface. But until then he'd have done loads of damage.
pseudalopex 3y ago
Annie accused Sam of sexual abuse in those words. And even the tweet about him climbing into her bed implied sexual acts followed. She didn't say rape as far as I know. But she didn't say only climbed into bed either. 1 billion people have a history of mental illness. And post traumatic stress disorder is a common consequence of sexual abuse. Does she have a history of delusion?

doodlebugging 3y ago

>She also has a history of mental illness. Was this diagnosed before he climbed into her bed when she was 4 y.o.? I'm no psychologist and I don't know what her own diagnosis involves but it seems that this diagnosis could be identifying a condition that resulted from abuse dealt by someone that she normally would trust. Overall from what I have read the last few weeks Altman seems to be an unethical sleeze who decides how to proceed on everything based on an analysis of what he can get for himself - the perfect type of person who would abuse someone who he saw as being in a weaker position, like his little sister with no thought to how that would affect her later in life.

tsimionescu 3y ago
The point is that we don't know if what she is saying is true. I believe that she believes what she is saying, but that doesn't necessarily make it true. Per all that she has said, this is a memory from when she was 4 - it could be extremely distorted by now. Even if it is entirely true (her family denies it), he was a small child when doing it - it is very much believable that at 13 he wouldn't even fully understand what that means.
- mlazos 3y ago
  I don’t think it matters if he understands, imo if this is actually true (which we will never know) that’s definitely messed up. Most 13 year olds know that this is wrong.
  - doodlebugging 3y ago
    >Most 13 year olds know that this is wrong. Definitely true where I'm from.
- doodlebugging 3y ago
  I don't know where you're from but when I was 13 I had a paying job throwing newspapers before sunrise. I did all my payment collections door to door though my Mom had to drive me to the route every morning. It was my first job and was a great introduction to job-related responsibilities. At 13 years old, he should've been mature enough to understand when he would be crossing a line but instead he was not taught clear boundary issues. Was it because of bad parenting where they set no boundaries because he was the oldest son or something cultural? I don't know but at any rate in my view there is no universe where he didn't know that he was doing something wrong. He went for personal satisfaction over everything else just like he does in his dealings today. Pretty funny seeing all the downvotes I get on this thread. I am pretty sure in real life that I would not want to hang out or socialize with any of the enabling cowards who support someone who could do this to his little sister and who could walk through life with so few restraints on his own behavior. Pretty pathetic.

gumballindie 3y ago

> only happened when he was a child Between downplaying the significance of what he did and discrediting the victim i cant tell whether his followers have a similar past or simply bend over to anyone that projects power. I can understand this coming from people in countries where the cult of personality is still alive but not in the western world.

tsimionescu 3y ago
We don't know if he did anything. And what he is accused of doing is actually quite vague, and at any rate it dates since he was a child. Not a young man, not an adolescent, but a pre-pubescent child. How much can you hold against someone who possibly didn't even understand what he was doing, even assuming she is completely right that this happened (her whole family denies it).
- pseudalopex 3y ago
  We don't know if he did anything. But you did play down the accusations. Most people don't infantilize 13 year olds so much. Pubescent or not. And how do you know when Sam Altman began puberty? How much I would hold against someone would depend on what they did to make amends. Family denial is very common. And how would they know? We can say we don't know if he did anything without bad arguments or reducing the accusations.

Der_Einzige 3y ago

You are being dishonest. She’s accused him of far more than that! But being that HN is ran by PG zealots, actually discussion of these allegations will be muzzled before it hurts anyone’s bottom line…

tsimionescu 3y ago
She has said "I have been sexually, physically, and financially abused by members of my family, especially Sam Altman and sometimes Jack as well". This, plus the other two quotes in my previous comment, are the most she has actually said, from what I've seen.
gumballindie 3y ago
My guess is that he's protected by microsoft and affiliated media. But once he's served his purpose and the lid raised the accusations will resurface. But until then he'd have done loads of damage.

pseudalopex 3y ago

Annie accused Sam of sexual abuse in those words. And even the tweet about him climbing into her bed implied sexual acts followed. She didn't say rape as far as I know. But she didn't say only climbed into bed either. 1 billion people have a history of mental illness. And post traumatic stress disorder is a common consequence of sexual abuse. Does she have a history of delusion?