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If the article is based on facts then... is this not an example of corruption?
by gwnywg 3y ago
If the article is based on facts then... is this not an example of corruption?
- gumballindie 3y ago[flagged]
- Uptrenda 3y ago[flagged]
- euazOn 3y agoSource?
- newsclues 3y agohttps://twitter.com/phuckfilosophy/status/1635704398939832321 https://twitter.com/phuckfilosophy/status/163570439893983232...
- artursapek 3y agoHer twitter
- dmurray 3y agoFirst I'd heard of this. But apparently true! But even publications treating the sister very sympathetically and hating on "cis white men" [0] make it clear that she seems to be mentally ill. [0] https://www.themarysue.com/annie-altmans-abuse-allegations-against-openais-sam-altman-highlight-the-need-to-prioritize-humanity-over-tech/ https://www.themarysue.com/annie-altmans-abuse-allegations-a...
- doodlebugging 3y ago> she seems to be mentally ill. Possibly due to her being 4 y.o. and being assaulted by someone in a position of trust, someone like her brother who clearly demonstrates the willingness to violate other people's trust as an adult. His actions today are probably a result of the absence of consequences for bad behavior earlier in life. He learned that he can do these things and get away with it so now he manipulates as a normal course of action.
- gumballindie 3y agoI am not surprised people havent heard about this. Altman’s being protected by the affiliated media until he does a final handover of openai to the right people. Naturally i havent been there, i dont know the facts. But people have went under for less than this, yet somehow altman’s being swept under the carpet.
- Culonavirus 3y agoI mean she said it (probably multiple times) and explicitly mentioned him. You can find these posts by looking her up. Or if you're lazy: https://www.themarysue.com/annie-altmans-abuse-allegations-against-openais-sam-altman-highlight-the-need-to-prioritize-humanity-over-tech/ https://www.themarysue.com/annie-altmans-abuse-allegations-a... These accusations are just another validation that the entire cancel culture thing is more about pushing politics than it is about punishing evil.
- ben_w 3y agoHis sister and the board. (I make no claim to veracity, how would I know).
- rvz 3y ago[flagged]
- Uptrenda 3y agoI assume he's referring to this: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/QDczBduZorG4dxZiW/sam-altman-s-sister-annie-altman-claims-sam-has-severely https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/QDczBduZorG4dxZiW/sam-altman...
- tsimionescu 3y agoHe has been accused on Twitter of "climbing in her bed non-consensually" when he was 13 (and she 4). She has also explicitly said she doesn't actually want legal action for "experiences between a baby child and a tween child", again suggesting that anything that happened only happened when he was a child. She also has a history of mental illness.
- doodlebugging 3y ago>She also has a history of mental illness. Was this diagnosed before he climbed into her bed when she was 4 y.o.? I'm no psychologist and I don't know what her own diagnosis involves but it seems that this diagnosis could be identifying a condition that resulted from abuse dealt by someone that she normally would trust. Overall from what I have read the last few weeks Altman seems to be an unethical sleeze who decides how to proceed on everything based on an analysis of what he can get for himself - the perfect type of person who would abuse someone who he saw as being in a weaker position, like his little sister with no thought to how that would affect her later in life.
- tsimionescu 3y agoThe point is that we don't know if what she is saying is true. I believe that she believes what she is saying, but that doesn't necessarily make it true. Per all that she has said, this is a memory from when she was 4 - it could be extremely distorted by now. Even if it is entirely true (her family denies it), he was a small child when doing it - it is very much believable that at 13 he wouldn't even fully understand what that means.
- mlazos 3y agoI don’t think it matters if he understands, imo if this is actually true (which we will never know) that’s definitely messed up. Most 13 year olds know that this is wrong.
- doodlebugging 3y ago
- louwrentius 3y agoWorldcoin Whoever thinks that was a good idea doesn’t seem to have any concept - nor care for - morality and ethics, in my view. Maybe the board firing him was exactly over this and look who prevailed.
- junofan 3y agoWorld ID is great. I like logging into stuff without verifying my email, linking my GitHub/Twitter/whatever, or solving a bunch of CAPTCHAs when I’m on a VPN.
- artursapek 3y agoBiometrics are a username, not a password
- rileymat2 3y agoThey are not a password, right, but they are not a username either. You can see this with the apple touch ID implementation when you have multiple accounts on the same computer.
- 93po 3y agoBiometrics are not used as a password with worldcoin. It's used to issue what is essentially a private key.
- ben_w 3y agoIf you already think cryptocurrency[0] and UBI[1] are good ideas, I can see why Worldcoin looks like a good idea. [0] I don't, he clearly does [1] I am not sure, I want to but suspect it will cause inflation unless done very carefully, but UBI needs biometrics to avoid Sybil attacks
- lawn 3y agoA cryptocurrency is supposed to be decentralized, but how do you verify that the biometrics that are registered in Worldcoin are genuine in a decentralized manner? The answer is that you don't, and Worldcoin is just another giant ball of shit.
- newsclues 3y agoI am not a lawyer, but not necessarily. I think it comes down to, is this good for this company. If not and you are directing sales to another company that benefits you, that would be bad, but if buying from the other company you invest in is good for OpenAI, then it's ok. You are allow to have other investments, it comes down to disclosure, and not making a bad deal for reasons that personally profit you.
- gwnywg 3y agoI thought about what you wrote, indeed it is probably difficult to prove either way (unless some other facts are known, like - were there any other companies supplying similar service) I was helping to implement ISO through small orgs (most likely overkill...) and remember one of important bits was that each purchase had to go through a process of selecting supplier. I wonder if this is also the case in OpenAI (I'd guess it is?). But I also can imagine, if there is only one supplier who provides given goods then the process is not very helpful.
- danenania 3y agoYeah and it's more or less a self-fulfilling prophecy that any company that gets a deal with OpenAI would also make for a good investment. The only way to avoid this kind of thing would be to say that leadership of a company isn't allowed to make investments in companies that are either in the same industry or have dealings with their employer. You could certainly make an argument for that, but it's not at all the standard practice currently, so I wouldn't say it's fair to single out Sam in this case unless there's other evidence of self-dealing.
- l33tman 3y agoYou're directly or indirectly making sure the company you've invested in will get boosted if you as CEO owns a stake. Therefore it's a conflict of interest - what if that particular company is only the second best to deal with? Either you as CEO or any middle-manager under you will probably give it some bonus points and it will end up getting the deal, news outlets will write about it, etc etc. At the very least you should let the board handle any potential dealings with the company and have 100% disclosure at all times (as you say)
- afavour 3y agoIt could be an example of Sam Altman making incredible investment choices. Or, yes, it could be corruption. Have to investigate to know one way or the other.
- belter 3y agoIt's called a conflict of interest. A smart or well advised CEO would seek approval from the board before such a deal. And maybe it was, when this specific CEO went looking for the approval or communicated it to the board, that soap opera got triggered.
- gwnywg 3y agoWhen I was reading the article it appeared like conflict of interest to my untrained eye too, though I was never on that level
- ramblerman 3y agoIt would have been so easy for them to raise that fact publicly though, and they would have massively won support. The problem was their complete silence on what lead to Altman's ousting
- timeon 3y agoWe called it 'tunneling' during 90s in my Eastern-European homeland. Like digging secret tunnel in one company where you have influence and transfer it's wealth into other company that you own.
- darkerside 3y agoI'm reminded of how Eskimos apocryphally have 30 different words for snow
- belter 3y agoApparently a hoax - http://www.lel.ed.ac.uk/~gpullum/EskimoHoax.pdf http://www.lel.ed.ac.uk/~gpullum/EskimoHoax.pdf But the main point of your comment still stands :-)
- Vt71fcAqt7 3y agohttps://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/apocryphal https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/apocryphal
- belter 3y agoThat is why I said the main point of the comment still stands, both in form and semantics...
- darkerside 3y agoIn defense of a point I wasn't making, I have to ask if you actually read the article you shared. It describes claims of people saying the Eskimos have 9, 48, 100, or 200 words for snow, and points out these are all in conflict. It then goes on to remar that even if it were true, it's understandable since snow is a huge part of their culture, which reinforces the point that I _was_ making. Hardly a debunking!
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