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This lines up with a potential shift away from manufacturing in Europe [1]. Fuel and natural gas prices have really made an impact since the sanctions against

This lines up with a potential shift away from manufacturing in Europe [1]. Fuel and natural gas prices have really made an impact since the sanctions against Russia started. The blowing up of Nord Stream pipelines couldn't have helped, though maybe the impact there wasn't as important as I'd guess seeing as no one bothered to investigate it when the attack happened. [1] https://www.politico.eu/article/end-made-in-europe-manufacturing-industry-struggle/ https://www.politico.eu/article/end-made-in-europe-manufactu...

fragmede 3y ago
> no one bothered to investigate it Are you sure?
- whamlastxmas 3y ago
  I think it’s probably pretty obvious between the powers that be who did it. Why investigate when you know
  - _heimdall 3y ago
    The public may be interested to know what their governments are actually up to.
    - whamlastxmas 3y ago
      Sucks to be us, the public
- _heimdall 3y ago
  If it was investigated, both the investigation and findings went completely unmentioned publicly. News coverage at the time made it clear that there weren't active investigations and Sweden effectively blocked any investigation due to national security concerns. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/sweden-shuns-formal-joint-investigation-nord-stream-leak-citing-national-2022-10-14/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/sweden-shuns-formal-joi...
  - fragmede 3y ago
    The Wikipedia page links to a bunch of pieces to the global investigation that happened, including the letter to the United Nations Security Council that three detonations were an act of sabotage.
    - _heimdall 3y ago
      Any chance you have a link you could share? I skimmed the Wikipedia pages for Nord 1 & 2 but don't have time to dig deeper at the moment I know I had seen claims that it was a Ukrainian special forces colonel (or captian?) that called the attack, but those claims I've seen all leaned on released intelligence documents and sources without any mention of an actual investigation of the attack site. Those claims sounded circumstantial to me as they were only based on intel reports before/after the attack and didn't get to my point that no investigation of the site occurred immediately after the pipes where hit.
      - lesuorac 3y ago
        It has its own wikipedia page [1]. Investigations take time but don't necessarily mean they've stalled. The last leaks were from Nov 11, 2023 so less than a month ago so it's hard to call that stall. Sure anybody can just point fingers like Russia did at the UK [2] but then you just look silly when you can't substantiate it. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Nord_Stream_pipeline_sabotage# https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Nord_Stream_pipeline_sabo... [2]: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-british-navy-personnel-blew-up-nord-stream-gas-pipelines-2022-10-29 https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-british-nav...

fragmede 3y ago

> no one bothered to investigate it Are you sure?

whamlastxmas 3y ago
I think it’s probably pretty obvious between the powers that be who did it. Why investigate when you know
- _heimdall 3y ago
  The public may be interested to know what their governments are actually up to.
  - whamlastxmas 3y ago
    Sucks to be us, the public
_heimdall 3y ago
If it was investigated, both the investigation and findings went completely unmentioned publicly. News coverage at the time made it clear that there weren't active investigations and Sweden effectively blocked any investigation due to national security concerns. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/sweden-shuns-formal-joint-investigation-nord-stream-leak-citing-national-2022-10-14/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/sweden-shuns-formal-joi...
- fragmede 3y ago
  The Wikipedia page links to a bunch of pieces to the global investigation that happened, including the letter to the United Nations Security Council that three detonations were an act of sabotage.
  - _heimdall 3y ago
    Any chance you have a link you could share? I skimmed the Wikipedia pages for Nord 1 & 2 but don't have time to dig deeper at the moment I know I had seen claims that it was a Ukrainian special forces colonel (or captian?) that called the attack, but those claims I've seen all leaned on released intelligence documents and sources without any mention of an actual investigation of the attack site. Those claims sounded circumstantial to me as they were only based on intel reports before/after the attack and didn't get to my point that no investigation of the site occurred immediately after the pipes where hit.
    - lesuorac 3y ago
      It has its own wikipedia page [1]. Investigations take time but don't necessarily mean they've stalled. The last leaks were from Nov 11, 2023 so less than a month ago so it's hard to call that stall. Sure anybody can just point fingers like Russia did at the UK [2] but then you just look silly when you can't substantiate it. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Nord_Stream_pipeline_sabotage# https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Nord_Stream_pipeline_sabo... [2]: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-british-navy-personnel-blew-up-nord-stream-gas-pipelines-2022-10-29 https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-british-nav...