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Weird that the ethernet ports are only 1GbE, that discounts everyone with a >1Gbit internet connection

by smcleod 3y ago

barkerja 3y ago
This is my biggest knock against Ubiquiti at the moment. They have no real solutions in the 2.5GbE/10GbE market.
- samch 3y ago
  The UDM-SE I have has a 10Gbps and 2.5Gbps WAN ports: https://store.ui.com/us/en/pro/category/all-unifi-cloud-gateways/products/udm-se https://store.ui.com/us/en/pro/category/all-unifi-cloud-gate... They also have multi-Gbps switches up to 25Gbps SFP28: https://store.ui.com/us/en?category=all-switching https://store.ui.com/us/en?category=all-switching
  - barkerja 3y ago
    Ah nice! And looking further, it appears their U6-Enterprise and U6-Enterprise-IW both support 2.5GbE uplinks.
  - larrysalibra 3y ago
    From reports online the UDM-SE won’t actually NAT close to 10 Gbps and the manufacturer doesn’t provide any NAT performance numbers…so it becomes a bottle neck if you have 10 Gbps internet which is widely available and not that expensive my part of the world. (Hong Kong). The only reasonably priced router I could find about 6 months ago that would NAT at line speed was the TP-LINK Onada ER8411. I ended up going with an all Oanda network which seems to work fine but ubiquiti had originally been my first choice.
  - fetzu 3y ago
    I recently encounter this as my ISP upgraded me to 10 Gbps over fiber: the UDM-PRO/SE does/can have a 10/2.5 Gbps WAN port over SPF+, but all the Ethernet ports go over to the COU via the same 1/2.5Gbps interface bottleneck [1]. If you really want to use your 10/2.5 Gbps you’re going to have run your services directly on the UDM or go out though the SPF+ port and serve from there via another switch, but then the point of having an UDM is kinda moot. I wish this was more explicitly advertised when I first bought it. [1] https://ubntwiki.com/products/unifi/unifi_dream_machine_pro https://ubntwiki.com/products/unifi/unifi_dream_machine_pro
ceejayoz 3y ago
No, it pushes everyone with a >1Gbit internet connection into a pricier product.
I_Am_Nous 3y ago
There are still far more people below gigabit speeds than there are people hitting their gig. As more fiber is deployed that may change, but it's still a very functional device regardless.
- smcleod 3y ago
  The cost of 2.5G chipsets is so low it really shouldn't matter especially for a 'premium' product like this.
  - joshspankit 3y ago
    Exactly my thought. Why not just spend the little extra and do 2.5G ports. There is one potential hurdle though: they specifically mention that it can handle 1G of traffic even if you enable a bunch of features. They would have had to upgrade the processors to be able to make the same claim at 2.5
    - smcleod 3y ago
      That's with all the features on though right? I'm sure a lot of folks wouldn't be using VPN, deep packet inspection, ad blocking, a large number of routes and vlans, IDS, caching etc all at once, it hardly takes any CPU processing to simply route 2.5G (or hell, even 10G) through a firewall.
      - joshspankit 3y ago
        Solid points, but there’s a little bit of history (the details are fuzzy for me so apologies to anything I get wrong): When 1Gbps internet connections were starting to be widely available Unifi put out some “1Gbps” products that could only route 1Gbps with nothing turned on. It quickly dropped to 300Mbps if someone wanted to use any of the Unifi features and people called them out. If they are making it a point to address that in this current product I feel like they want to make sure that type of call out doesn’t happen again.
donatj 3y ago
This is to my massive irritation. I don't want to use the router built into my cable modem, but my Internet is 1.2gb and I feel like I'm throwing money away. Routers with 2.5gbe uplink are hard to find and even more expensive.
- lldb 3y ago
  The Mikrotik RB5009 is very affordable and has both SFP+ and 1x 2.5G Ethernet. And you can use either port as WAN or LAN depending on your setup. Will still need a switch however if you have more 2.5G clients.
  - donatj 3y ago
    $200 for a router without a built-in wireless AP isn't what I would call a deal for a home router.
    - lldb 3y ago
      Arguably, > 1G is outside the range of home equipment as most consumers have no need for it. You're asking a 2.5G router, a WiFi 6 AP, and a multi-gig switch all in one package. Most people who care about these also know better than to buy an all-in-one router since they are typically very limited in configuration options, especially if you need any sort of routing tables. ASUS has some all-in-ones with 2x 10GbE ports but I wouldn't recommend them to anyone.
      - donatj 3y ago
        I disagree. Maybe 5 years ago that was true, but I have very affordable Comcast home internet that is 1.2gb - and it's only expected to get faster. I know very few people who don't have gigabit these days. Between Cable and Fiber it's cheap and regularly available. The market is undeserving the everyday consumer. It's why there are multiple YouTube channels dedicated to reviewing Chinese no-name 2.5gb switches from AliExpress. The big names have just turned to blind eye to pump out the same outdated devices they've been pumping out for years.
barakm 3y ago
This is my problem too. I love Ubiquiti's stuff when it works, but my home switches 10Gig at the moment, and 10Gig from my ISP is coming soon. Right now I run a full-on firewall 1U main server/router that can do that, but I'd drop it in a heartbeat if Ubiquiti had a reasonably priced (sub $1K) 10Gig version of exactly this product.

Weird that the ethernet ports are only 1GbE, that discounts everyone with a >1Gbit internet connection

barkerja 3y ago

This is my biggest knock against Ubiquiti at the moment. They have no real solutions in the 2.5GbE/10GbE market.

samch 3y ago
The UDM-SE I have has a 10Gbps and 2.5Gbps WAN ports: https://store.ui.com/us/en/pro/category/all-unifi-cloud-gateways/products/udm-se https://store.ui.com/us/en/pro/category/all-unifi-cloud-gate... They also have multi-Gbps switches up to 25Gbps SFP28: https://store.ui.com/us/en?category=all-switching https://store.ui.com/us/en?category=all-switching
- barkerja 3y ago
  Ah nice! And looking further, it appears their U6-Enterprise and U6-Enterprise-IW both support 2.5GbE uplinks.
- larrysalibra 3y ago
  From reports online the UDM-SE won’t actually NAT close to 10 Gbps and the manufacturer doesn’t provide any NAT performance numbers…so it becomes a bottle neck if you have 10 Gbps internet which is widely available and not that expensive my part of the world. (Hong Kong). The only reasonably priced router I could find about 6 months ago that would NAT at line speed was the TP-LINK Onada ER8411. I ended up going with an all Oanda network which seems to work fine but ubiquiti had originally been my first choice.
- fetzu 3y ago
  I recently encounter this as my ISP upgraded me to 10 Gbps over fiber: the UDM-PRO/SE does/can have a 10/2.5 Gbps WAN port over SPF+, but all the Ethernet ports go over to the COU via the same 1/2.5Gbps interface bottleneck [1]. If you really want to use your 10/2.5 Gbps you’re going to have run your services directly on the UDM or go out though the SPF+ port and serve from there via another switch, but then the point of having an UDM is kinda moot. I wish this was more explicitly advertised when I first bought it. [1] https://ubntwiki.com/products/unifi/unifi_dream_machine_pro https://ubntwiki.com/products/unifi/unifi_dream_machine_pro

ceejayoz 3y ago

No, it pushes everyone with a >1Gbit internet connection into a pricier product.

I_Am_Nous 3y ago

There are still far more people below gigabit speeds than there are people hitting their gig. As more fiber is deployed that may change, but it's still a very functional device regardless.

smcleod 3y ago
The cost of 2.5G chipsets is so low it really shouldn't matter especially for a 'premium' product like this.
- joshspankit 3y ago
  Exactly my thought. Why not just spend the little extra and do 2.5G ports. There is one potential hurdle though: they specifically mention that it can handle 1G of traffic even if you enable a bunch of features. They would have had to upgrade the processors to be able to make the same claim at 2.5
  - smcleod 3y ago
    That's with all the features on though right? I'm sure a lot of folks wouldn't be using VPN, deep packet inspection, ad blocking, a large number of routes and vlans, IDS, caching etc all at once, it hardly takes any CPU processing to simply route 2.5G (or hell, even 10G) through a firewall.
    - joshspankit 3y ago
      Solid points, but there’s a little bit of history (the details are fuzzy for me so apologies to anything I get wrong): When 1Gbps internet connections were starting to be widely available Unifi put out some “1Gbps” products that could only route 1Gbps with nothing turned on. It quickly dropped to 300Mbps if someone wanted to use any of the Unifi features and people called them out. If they are making it a point to address that in this current product I feel like they want to make sure that type of call out doesn’t happen again.

donatj 3y ago

This is to my massive irritation. I don't want to use the router built into my cable modem, but my Internet is 1.2gb and I feel like I'm throwing money away. Routers with 2.5gbe uplink are hard to find and even more expensive.

lldb 3y ago
The Mikrotik RB5009 is very affordable and has both SFP+ and 1x 2.5G Ethernet. And you can use either port as WAN or LAN depending on your setup. Will still need a switch however if you have more 2.5G clients.
- donatj 3y ago
  $200 for a router without a built-in wireless AP isn't what I would call a deal for a home router.
  - lldb 3y ago
    Arguably, > 1G is outside the range of home equipment as most consumers have no need for it. You're asking a 2.5G router, a WiFi 6 AP, and a multi-gig switch all in one package. Most people who care about these also know better than to buy an all-in-one router since they are typically very limited in configuration options, especially if you need any sort of routing tables. ASUS has some all-in-ones with 2x 10GbE ports but I wouldn't recommend them to anyone.
    - donatj 3y ago
      I disagree. Maybe 5 years ago that was true, but I have very affordable Comcast home internet that is 1.2gb - and it's only expected to get faster. I know very few people who don't have gigabit these days. Between Cable and Fiber it's cheap and regularly available. The market is undeserving the everyday consumer. It's why there are multiple YouTube channels dedicated to reviewing Chinese no-name 2.5gb switches from AliExpress. The big names have just turned to blind eye to pump out the same outdated devices they've been pumping out for years.

barakm 3y ago

This is my problem too. I love Ubiquiti's stuff when it works, but my home switches 10Gig at the moment, and 10Gig from my ISP is coming soon. Right now I run a full-on firewall 1U main server/router that can do that, but I'd drop it in a heartbeat if Ubiquiti had a reasonably priced (sub $1K) 10Gig version of exactly this product.