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This is all very commendable, skimming through it I couldn't find one point with which to disagree. But ... where do I get this sense of naïveté? I tried to wo

This is all very commendable, skimming through it I couldn't find one point with which to disagree. But ... where do I get this sense of naïveté? I tried to work that out but it became too complex, and overshadowed the positivenes of bringing ethics to the forefront, where it seldom is. Suffice to say that ethical principles in the chaos of reality where wolf eats wolf are extremely difficult to uphold. Sometimes they even become a veil over an ugly underbelly. Not always, but it happens sufficiently often for warning bells to go off when someone cites their lofty ethics.

daymanstep 3y ago
So a person with a strong sense of ethics should never talk about their moral code because others see it as a red flag?
- stareatgoats 3y ago
  > should never talk I wasn't prescribing anything, I was just trying to chart what feelings a code of conduct like this evokes in me, and I may be more sensitive to hypocrisy than average. But I see no harm for people with a strong sense of ethics to expect some scrutiny of where they reside if they feel compelled to preach their moral code. That doesn't mean they shouldn't do it. But if, for example, they live in a glass house then it's only in their own interest that they hold off on throwing any stones until they have moved to another, less fragile place.
  - daymanstep 3y ago
    I don’t think it’s wrong to say that something is wrong even if you yourself are guilty of that thing. A smoker who tells other people to not smoke is not necessarily being disingenuous. They might not be able to quit smoking, but they can also sincerely believe that smoking is a bad habit at the same time.
    - stareatgoats 3y ago
      Agree, maybe not disingenuous, but definitely hypocritical. And hypocrisy have edge cases that may not be so bad, like the one you cited. But all in all, hypocrisy stinks. People that preach honesty and reliability (cause you know, that sounds reliable) but turn turn out to be anything but will lose esteem, taint anything and anyone they have been in contact with, and once again prove the need for reasonable suspicion and double checks when it comes to people who cite their lofty ethics -it might simply be a vehicle for unethical behavior.

daymanstep 3y ago

So a person with a strong sense of ethics should never talk about their moral code because others see it as a red flag?

stareatgoats 3y ago
> should never talk I wasn't prescribing anything, I was just trying to chart what feelings a code of conduct like this evokes in me, and I may be more sensitive to hypocrisy than average. But I see no harm for people with a strong sense of ethics to expect some scrutiny of where they reside if they feel compelled to preach their moral code. That doesn't mean they shouldn't do it. But if, for example, they live in a glass house then it's only in their own interest that they hold off on throwing any stones until they have moved to another, less fragile place.
- daymanstep 3y ago
  I don’t think it’s wrong to say that something is wrong even if you yourself are guilty of that thing. A smoker who tells other people to not smoke is not necessarily being disingenuous. They might not be able to quit smoking, but they can also sincerely believe that smoking is a bad habit at the same time.
  - stareatgoats 3y ago
    Agree, maybe not disingenuous, but definitely hypocritical. And hypocrisy have edge cases that may not be so bad, like the one you cited. But all in all, hypocrisy stinks. People that preach honesty and reliability (cause you know, that sounds reliable) but turn turn out to be anything but will lose esteem, taint anything and anyone they have been in contact with, and once again prove the need for reasonable suspicion and double checks when it comes to people who cite their lofty ethics -it might simply be a vehicle for unethical behavior.