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Show me these pages that Firefox doesn't render well. Show me pages that tank Firefox performance. How many of them will have -webkit-* and other engine-exclu

Show me these pages that Firefox doesn't render well. Show me pages that tank Firefox performance. How many of them will have -webkit-* and other engine-exclusive markup/CSS? Firefox updates every 6 weeks, just like Chrome. What do you want in the devtools that Chrome has and Firefox doesn't? I've been using Firefox for nearly two decades and aside from the WebExtensions and some UI changes, it's been solid. I find most criticisms of Firefox on websites are lacking links and profiling data.

mvdtnz 3y ago
> Show me these pages that Firefox doesn't render well. I'm not doing homework for you. Lots of pages don't render well in Firefox, it's a well known issue which is why it comes up in every thread about Firefox. > Show me pages that tank Firefox performance. Firefox in general performs poorly. Again, known long-term ongoing issue. Look at this thread where almost every top-level comment is sceptical that Firefox is even close to Chrome in performance: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36770883 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36770883 You can find ongoing performance benchmarks between Chrome and Firefox here, and it's not flattering for FF: https://arewefastyet.com https://arewefastyet.com > How many of them will have -webkit-* and other engine-exclusive markup/CSS? I don't care, at all. It's not my job, as a user, to debug performance problems. > Firefox updates every 6 weeks, just like Chrome. Ok? I didn't say anything about update cadence.
- hedora 3y ago
  Check the y axis labels on arewefastyet. When FF is winning, it is often by a large multiple. When chrome wins it is usually by under a factor of two. It wins by a factor of three on one benchmark that I could find. I don’t think many users will notice a factor of 2-3 in page render time, even if the benchmarks where firefox wins are all somehow not representative of real world use, but the chrome ones are. As for pages that don’t render, I simply don’t see this problem at all. One bank I use refuses to let you log in if Linux appears in the user agent string, but that hits Chrome too. Do you have a single example?
  - shiroiuma 3y ago
    >One bank I use refuses to let you log in if Linux appears in the user agent string, but that hits Chrome too. So why do you do business with this bank? I have a bunch of accounts at different banks and other financial institutions, and have never had this problem. I'd never open an account at a bank this incompetent with IT issues.
    - hedora 3y ago
      They're paying me to deal with their bullshit. They offer the only credit card that offers 5% cash back at a retailer that I spend lots of money at. I don't use them for anything other than that card.
idonotknowwhy 3y ago
Open and use more than 10 aws console tabs actively on Linux and Firefox will crash (all tabs). Chromium can do more than double without crashing. I still use ff whenever possible

mvdtnz 3y ago

> Show me these pages that Firefox doesn't render well. I'm not doing homework for you. Lots of pages don't render well in Firefox, it's a well known issue which is why it comes up in every thread about Firefox. > Show me pages that tank Firefox performance. Firefox in general performs poorly. Again, known long-term ongoing issue. Look at this thread where almost every top-level comment is sceptical that Firefox is even close to Chrome in performance: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36770883 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36770883 You can find ongoing performance benchmarks between Chrome and Firefox here, and it's not flattering for FF: https://arewefastyet.com https://arewefastyet.com > How many of them will have -webkit-* and other engine-exclusive markup/CSS? I don't care, at all. It's not my job, as a user, to debug performance problems. > Firefox updates every 6 weeks, just like Chrome. Ok? I didn't say anything about update cadence.

hedora 3y ago
Check the y axis labels on arewefastyet. When FF is winning, it is often by a large multiple. When chrome wins it is usually by under a factor of two. It wins by a factor of three on one benchmark that I could find. I don’t think many users will notice a factor of 2-3 in page render time, even if the benchmarks where firefox wins are all somehow not representative of real world use, but the chrome ones are. As for pages that don’t render, I simply don’t see this problem at all. One bank I use refuses to let you log in if Linux appears in the user agent string, but that hits Chrome too. Do you have a single example?
- shiroiuma 3y ago
  >One bank I use refuses to let you log in if Linux appears in the user agent string, but that hits Chrome too. So why do you do business with this bank? I have a bunch of accounts at different banks and other financial institutions, and have never had this problem. I'd never open an account at a bank this incompetent with IT issues.
  - hedora 3y ago
    They're paying me to deal with their bullshit. They offer the only credit card that offers 5% cash back at a retailer that I spend lots of money at. I don't use them for anything other than that card.

idonotknowwhy 3y ago

Open and use more than 10 aws console tabs actively on Linux and Firefox will crash (all tabs). Chromium can do more than double without crashing. I still use ff whenever possible