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This is very likely common practice by many other governments

by jerpint 3y ago

master-lincoln 3y ago
what makes you think so?
- AnimalMuppet 3y ago
  The United States is this limited government, with strict limits on what it's allowed to do. Yeah, I know. It hasn't worked out that way. But do you think other governments, starting with fewer restraints, are doing less than the US? Or more? I could see saying that the US is doing it in higher volume, because it's got more money to spend on government excess.
  - suoduandao2 3y ago
    Incentives are a factor too though. The us needs to hold a mostly voluntary empire together, that requires a lot more intrigue than the average country.
    - bannedbybros 3y ago
      >voluntary empire lmao ycomb.
      - suoduandao2 3y ago
        I mean relative to other empires in history. Maybe the Persian one comes close, maybe. I don’t like living in a client state but I’m under no illusions things would be better under the British or Spanish
        Slava_Propanei 3y ago
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  - Terr_ 3y ago
    That makes me think of something I saw on HN yesterday [0] where the author was saying that a private right of action to sue in the courts was an important part of offloading power away from the US government proper. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38480187 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38480187
  - chiefalchemist 3y ago
    In this case, I don't believe the NSA actually broke the law. They purchased data that was on the open market. You don't need a court order to collect data when it's *that* convenient. The buried lede here is: why is it legal to resell that data in the first place. (Hint: because it makes Intelligence Community's job 100x easier). This ultimatum for answers is simply theatre.
  - roamerz 3y ago
    >Yeah, I know. It hasn’t worked out that way. This is where the writers of the Constitution missed the boat a little. With all of their smarts they probably could have written something in there to hold accountable those who would have any part in enacting a rule or law the violates the Constitution. Not a simple task at all but a worthwhile addition IMHO.
saagarjha 3y ago
Doesn't mean we need to accept it here.

This is very likely common practice by many other governments

master-lincoln 3y ago

what makes you think so?

AnimalMuppet 3y ago
The United States is this limited government, with strict limits on what it's allowed to do. Yeah, I know. It hasn't worked out that way. But do you think other governments, starting with fewer restraints, are doing less than the US? Or more? I could see saying that the US is doing it in higher volume, because it's got more money to spend on government excess.
- suoduandao2 3y ago
  Incentives are a factor too though. The us needs to hold a mostly voluntary empire together, that requires a lot more intrigue than the average country.
  - bannedbybros 3y ago
    >voluntary empire lmao ycomb.
    - suoduandao2 3y ago
      I mean relative to other empires in history. Maybe the Persian one comes close, maybe. I don’t like living in a client state but I’m under no illusions things would be better under the British or Spanish
      - Slava_Propanei 3y ago
        [dead]
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
- Terr_ 3y ago
  That makes me think of something I saw on HN yesterday [0] where the author was saying that a private right of action to sue in the courts was an important part of offloading power away from the US government proper. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38480187 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38480187
- chiefalchemist 3y ago
  In this case, I don't believe the NSA actually broke the law. They purchased data that was on the open market. You don't need a court order to collect data when it's *that* convenient. The buried lede here is: why is it legal to resell that data in the first place. (Hint: because it makes Intelligence Community's job 100x easier). This ultimatum for answers is simply theatre.
- roamerz 3y ago
  >Yeah, I know. It hasn’t worked out that way. This is where the writers of the Constitution missed the boat a little. With all of their smarts they probably could have written something in there to hold accountable those who would have any part in enacting a rule or law the violates the Constitution. Not a simple task at all but a worthwhile addition IMHO.

saagarjha 3y ago

Doesn't mean we need to accept it here.