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Wyden for President.

by Apocryphon 3y ago

uncletammy 3y ago
I would quit my job tomorrow and move to Oregon to work on his campaign. No joke.
willy_k 3y ago
Unfortunately, there’s only one candidate over 70 with a real chance.
- krapp 3y ago
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  - willy_k 3y ago
    What? If you mean Trump, I think it’s pretty dishonest or at best ignorant to liken them to each other. He absolutely has his flaws, tons of them, but categorically excluding him from the discussion isn’t justified.
    - krapp 3y ago
      I mean both. I feel like Trump's flaws, crimes and Project 2025 [0,1] should exclude him from discussion. Like, he should be politically radioactive at this point. Set all of that lunacy aside and Trump is just a mainstream Republican. Not that I like Biden, mind you, I just hate him less than Trump. They're both imperialist, capitalist bastards but Biden is at least less fascism-adjacent. The problem is that our first past the post, two party (in practice) system means most of the "discussion" we could have is meaningless. The candidates and most of the votes were already locked in well before any campaigning even took place. Biden vs Trump 2 Electric Boogaloo was a fait accompli. Most people will vote red pill or blue pill. [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025 [1]https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/09/19/project-2025-trump-reagan-00115811 https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/09/19/project-20...
      - willy_k 3y ago
        I agree. My initial comment was just saying that people will not want another old president, with the exception of convinced trump voters.
      - Eumenes 3y ago
        > The project seeks to revive a Trump administration effort to include a question of whether an individual counted in the decennial Census is a U.S. citizen. The census population count is used to reapportion congressional seats and the Electoral College. This is incredibly based. Letting tens of millions of illegal immigrants be counted towards appropriating congressional seats/electoral votes is literal insanity.
        krapp 3y ago
        >Letting tens of millions of illegal immigrants be counted towards appropriating congressional seats/electoral votes is literal insanity. No, it isn't. Those people hold residence in the US, they work and they pay taxes, they exist as the persistent underclass in the American economy. If we're going to allow and maintain that underclass - which, despite rhetoric to the contrary, we clearly will, then they deserve to be represented. Also, the allocation and funding of government services - which undocumented immigrants also take advantage of - depends on a count of actual persons, not just citizens. Insanity would be pretending those tens of millions of people simply don't exist.
        Eumenes 3y ago
        They should be deported immediately. Imagine believing they're actually seeking asylum and not just opportunistic economic migrants. Every nation in the world has a secure border but for some reason the US can't. Wonder why.
Eumenes 3y ago
This guy is wrong about every single thing, except government surveillance/spying. Example, he supported the Israel Anti-Boycott Act (S.720) which criminalizes boycott and divestment activism by U.S. citizens against the State of Israel
- 0xDEF 3y ago
  US law forbids US government contractors from complying with foreign state sanctions and boycotts against Israel. For example Lockheed Martin is not allowed to comply with Qatari and Turkish demands to boycott and sanction Israel. Private US citizens and companies who are not government contractors can boycott Israel as much as they want. You are probably confusing the law with some weird Texas law that also forbids government workers from boycotting Israel. The EU has similar laws forbidding EU companies with complying with US/Israeli sanctions against Iran.
  - Eumenes 3y ago
    In May 2017, Wyden co-sponsored the Israel Anti-Boycott Act, Senate Bill 720, which made it a federal crime, punishable by a maximum sentence of 20 years imprisonment,[88] for Americans to encourage or participate in boycotts against Israel and Israeli settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories if protesting actions by the Israeli government. The bill would make it legal for U.S. states to refuse to do business with contractors that engage in boycotts against Israel.[89] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Wyden#Israel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Wyden#Israel
- Apocryphon 3y ago
  Wyden for NSA director.

Wyden for President.

uncletammy 3y ago

I would quit my job tomorrow and move to Oregon to work on his campaign. No joke.

willy_k 3y ago

Unfortunately, there’s only one candidate over 70 with a real chance.

krapp 3y ago
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- willy_k 3y ago
  What? If you mean Trump, I think it’s pretty dishonest or at best ignorant to liken them to each other. He absolutely has his flaws, tons of them, but categorically excluding him from the discussion isn’t justified.
  - krapp 3y ago
    I mean both. I feel like Trump's flaws, crimes and Project 2025 [0,1] should exclude him from discussion. Like, he should be politically radioactive at this point. Set all of that lunacy aside and Trump is just a mainstream Republican. Not that I like Biden, mind you, I just hate him less than Trump. They're both imperialist, capitalist bastards but Biden is at least less fascism-adjacent. The problem is that our first past the post, two party (in practice) system means most of the "discussion" we could have is meaningless. The candidates and most of the votes were already locked in well before any campaigning even took place. Biden vs Trump 2 Electric Boogaloo was a fait accompli. Most people will vote red pill or blue pill. [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025 [1]https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/09/19/project-2025-trump-reagan-00115811 https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/09/19/project-20...
    - willy_k 3y ago
      I agree. My initial comment was just saying that people will not want another old president, with the exception of convinced trump voters.
    - Eumenes 3y ago
      > The project seeks to revive a Trump administration effort to include a question of whether an individual counted in the decennial Census is a U.S. citizen. The census population count is used to reapportion congressional seats and the Electoral College. This is incredibly based. Letting tens of millions of illegal immigrants be counted towards appropriating congressional seats/electoral votes is literal insanity.
      - krapp 3y ago
        >Letting tens of millions of illegal immigrants be counted towards appropriating congressional seats/electoral votes is literal insanity. No, it isn't. Those people hold residence in the US, they work and they pay taxes, they exist as the persistent underclass in the American economy. If we're going to allow and maintain that underclass - which, despite rhetoric to the contrary, we clearly will, then they deserve to be represented. Also, the allocation and funding of government services - which undocumented immigrants also take advantage of - depends on a count of actual persons, not just citizens. Insanity would be pretending those tens of millions of people simply don't exist.
        Eumenes 3y ago
        They should be deported immediately. Imagine believing they're actually seeking asylum and not just opportunistic economic migrants. Every nation in the world has a secure border but for some reason the US can't. Wonder why.

Eumenes 3y ago

This guy is wrong about every single thing, except government surveillance/spying. Example, he supported the Israel Anti-Boycott Act (S.720) which criminalizes boycott and divestment activism by U.S. citizens against the State of Israel

0xDEF 3y ago
US law forbids US government contractors from complying with foreign state sanctions and boycotts against Israel. For example Lockheed Martin is not allowed to comply with Qatari and Turkish demands to boycott and sanction Israel. Private US citizens and companies who are not government contractors can boycott Israel as much as they want. You are probably confusing the law with some weird Texas law that also forbids government workers from boycotting Israel. The EU has similar laws forbidding EU companies with complying with US/Israeli sanctions against Iran.
- Eumenes 3y ago
  In May 2017, Wyden co-sponsored the Israel Anti-Boycott Act, Senate Bill 720, which made it a federal crime, punishable by a maximum sentence of 20 years imprisonment,[88] for Americans to encourage or participate in boycotts against Israel and Israeli settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories if protesting actions by the Israeli government. The bill would make it legal for U.S. states to refuse to do business with contractors that engage in boycotts against Israel.[89] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Wyden#Israel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Wyden#Israel
Apocryphon 3y ago
Wyden for NSA director.