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HOW TO CHOOSE A CLOUD PROVIDER * AWS: you will pay to have stuff work properly and you like having customer service * Azure: you hate yourself, you're running

HOW TO CHOOSE A CLOUD PROVIDER * AWS: you will pay to have stuff work properly and you like having customer service * Azure: you hate yourself, you're running Windows or both * Google: you're cheap enough that basic functionality is an optional extra * Oracle: lol * Hetzner: cheap, good service, the finest pets in the world, no cattle

diamondfist25 3y ago
What about DO?
- monlockandkey 3y ago
  You should always reach out to use Digital Ocean, Linode, Vultr as your starting point. Aws and the gang are mega mega expensive compared to what you pay for a vps. If you require services beyond compute, database and storage, then use the big names. Otherwise save yourself headache with complexity, unpredictable and absurd costs. Please don't use AWS especially as a startup, you are going to kill yourself paying for compute, database and egress that is multiples times what you get from a vps. AWs is NOT cheap
  - davidgerard 3y ago
    my personal site is on Hetzner, fwiw. they are extremely good IME
    - monlockandkey 3y ago
      Yes Hetzner is a excellent choice
nijave 3y ago
>Azure Or you have big enterprise customers that have a grudge against Amazon and Google and refuse to use anything else.
- twisteriffic 3y ago
  Azure is great if you stick to the three golden oldies: DTU-based SQL, app service and service bus. Maybe table storage if you're feeling lucky. Anything else leads to pain and $$$, because it's likely that no one at Microsoft is being forced to use it.
  - jwnin 3y ago
    vCore SQL is solid and predictable. Azure's vm offering is also highly reliable, and they host more linux workloads than Windows now.
    - nijave 3y ago
      > Azure's vm offering is also highly reliable Not in my experience. Running just under 100 VMs, they'd randomly fail and restart about once a year. One month, something went terribly wrong with our k8s cluster and nodes were becoming unhealthy and being replaced every few hours to the tune of 500 replacements in a month for a 60 node cluster. Premium SSD v2 is fairly good released generally about a year ago. Premium SSD was pretty painfully slow.
candiddevmike 3y ago
> * Hetzner: cheap, good service, the finest pets in the world, no cattle You can absolutely do cattle with Hetzner. They support imaging and immutable infrastructure. They don't have a native auto scaling equivalent, but if you're using Kubernetes, they have a cluster autoscaler: https://github.com/kubernetes/autoscaler/blob/master/cluster-autoscaler/cloudprovider/hetzner/README.me https://github.com/kubernetes/autoscaler/blob/master/cluster... Hetzner Cloud's biggest gap for me right now is secure VMs: they don't support encrypted disks, UEFI, secure boot, or TPMs (and certainly nothing like AMD SEV). You can get a fat bare metal Ryzen box through Robot and DIY though.

diamondfist25 3y ago

What about DO?

monlockandkey 3y ago
You should always reach out to use Digital Ocean, Linode, Vultr as your starting point. Aws and the gang are mega mega expensive compared to what you pay for a vps. If you require services beyond compute, database and storage, then use the big names. Otherwise save yourself headache with complexity, unpredictable and absurd costs. Please don't use AWS especially as a startup, you are going to kill yourself paying for compute, database and egress that is multiples times what you get from a vps. AWs is NOT cheap
- davidgerard 3y ago
  my personal site is on Hetzner, fwiw. they are extremely good IME
  - monlockandkey 3y ago
    Yes Hetzner is a excellent choice

nijave 3y ago

>Azure Or you have big enterprise customers that have a grudge against Amazon and Google and refuse to use anything else.

twisteriffic 3y ago
Azure is great if you stick to the three golden oldies: DTU-based SQL, app service and service bus. Maybe table storage if you're feeling lucky. Anything else leads to pain and $$$, because it's likely that no one at Microsoft is being forced to use it.
- jwnin 3y ago
  vCore SQL is solid and predictable. Azure's vm offering is also highly reliable, and they host more linux workloads than Windows now.
  - nijave 3y ago
    > Azure's vm offering is also highly reliable Not in my experience. Running just under 100 VMs, they'd randomly fail and restart about once a year. One month, something went terribly wrong with our k8s cluster and nodes were becoming unhealthy and being replaced every few hours to the tune of 500 replacements in a month for a 60 node cluster. Premium SSD v2 is fairly good released generally about a year ago. Premium SSD was pretty painfully slow.

candiddevmike 3y ago

> * Hetzner: cheap, good service, the finest pets in the world, no cattle You can absolutely do cattle with Hetzner. They support imaging and immutable infrastructure. They don't have a native auto scaling equivalent, but if you're using Kubernetes, they have a cluster autoscaler: https://github.com/kubernetes/autoscaler/blob/master/cluster-autoscaler/cloudprovider/hetzner/README.me https://github.com/kubernetes/autoscaler/blob/master/cluster... Hetzner Cloud's biggest gap for me right now is secure VMs: they don't support encrypted disks, UEFI, secure boot, or TPMs (and certainly nothing like AMD SEV). You can get a fat bare metal Ryzen box through Robot and DIY though.