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Why could have? It is truly great. I've been running a server for my family for two years now and it has been pretty solid. If I show my friends how to get an X

by zaik 3y ago

Why could have? It is truly great. I've been running a server for my family for two years now and it has been pretty solid. If I show my friends how to get an XMPP address I also recommend them a modern client (Android: Conversations from F-Droid, iOS: Monal). I feel like compatibility between clients is good, people just aren't used to having independent implementations anymore. It's easy to cook up your own protocol and have compatibility by being the only game in town but if you look at the bigger picture you have just created more fragmentation. We need more instant messaging standardization and XMPP serves an important role as the IETF internet standard for IM.

nicoco 3y ago
Since we're recommending clients, Quicksy (basically the same as Conversations) is great on Android to be close to the UX of Whatsapp, Telegram and Signal (your ID=your phone number + autodiscovery of contacts). I don't want it for myself (phone number as ID? yuk), but I think it's underrated as it seems to fit what a lot of non-techies actually want.
rcbdev 3y ago
I've tried occasionally hosting XMPP servers for a long time and sadly I didn't have as nice of an experience client-wise as you did. Especially on Windows, where most people live, the biggest clients don't properly support video or even voice calling and OMEMO support used to be really hit or miss in a way where depending on the person I was texting I had to switch to OTR. (This is, admittedly, way better now) Maybe the modern web-based clients like Movim are better, never got around to testing them. I'll admit that Android always was the golden platform for XMPP thanks to Conversations - as long as you stick to that on both ends it's the perfect experience.
- nicoco 3y ago
  It is sad indeed that the development of clients relies on the volunteer work of a very limited group of individuals, mostly explainable by the lack of "hype" around Jabber/XMPP. FWIW it's been smooth-sailing for me and my non-tech family and friends for many years now. BTW, OTR is deprecated, and OMEMO just works. This project looks promising too: https://prose.org/ https://prose.org/ > Windows, where most people live Most people live on their smartphone for IM these days, at least in my circles. I have been surprised by how few people are actually interested in getting a chat app on their "real computer".
  - rcbdev 3y ago
    I think many people don't even realize how inter-device their IM service usage really is due to how seamless the web frontends of WhatsApp/Telegram/etc. are. Some people like to use these when working on their desktop for 8+ hours a day.
    - nicoco 3y ago
      I don't witness this around me. By far, most of my "real life contacts" will only use their phone to use messaging apps, and don't use whatsapp web at all.
graynk 3y ago
Both Conversations and Monal are abysmal from modern UI/UX standpoint and don’t get even close to something like Whatsapp or Telegram (and those two have lots to improve themselves) Same can be said about desktop clients.

by zaik 3y ago

nicoco 3y ago

Since we're recommending clients, Quicksy (basically the same as Conversations) is great on Android to be close to the UX of Whatsapp, Telegram and Signal (your ID=your phone number + autodiscovery of contacts). I don't want it for myself (phone number as ID? yuk), but I think it's underrated as it seems to fit what a lot of non-techies actually want.

rcbdev 3y ago

I've tried occasionally hosting XMPP servers for a long time and sadly I didn't have as nice of an experience client-wise as you did. Especially on Windows, where most people live, the biggest clients don't properly support video or even voice calling and OMEMO support used to be really hit or miss in a way where depending on the person I was texting I had to switch to OTR. (This is, admittedly, way better now) Maybe the modern web-based clients like Movim are better, never got around to testing them. I'll admit that Android always was the golden platform for XMPP thanks to Conversations - as long as you stick to that on both ends it's the perfect experience.

nicoco 3y ago
It is sad indeed that the development of clients relies on the volunteer work of a very limited group of individuals, mostly explainable by the lack of "hype" around Jabber/XMPP. FWIW it's been smooth-sailing for me and my non-tech family and friends for many years now. BTW, OTR is deprecated, and OMEMO just works. This project looks promising too: https://prose.org/ https://prose.org/ > Windows, where most people live Most people live on their smartphone for IM these days, at least in my circles. I have been surprised by how few people are actually interested in getting a chat app on their "real computer".
- rcbdev 3y ago
  I think many people don't even realize how inter-device their IM service usage really is due to how seamless the web frontends of WhatsApp/Telegram/etc. are. Some people like to use these when working on their desktop for 8+ hours a day.
  - nicoco 3y ago
    I don't witness this around me. By far, most of my "real life contacts" will only use their phone to use messaging apps, and don't use whatsapp web at all.

graynk 3y ago

Both Conversations and Monal are abysmal from modern UI/UX standpoint and don’t get even close to something like Whatsapp or Telegram (and those two have lots to improve themselves) Same can be said about desktop clients.