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What exactly do you think is substandard about Firefox?

by roca 3y ago

_cenw 3y ago
https://github.com/webcompat/web-bugs/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3Abrowser-firefox https://github.com/webcompat/web-bugs/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%... Microsoft Teams (which I don't think many people use voluntarily) in particular breaks in stupid ways - and then in others if you spoof your user agent.
- phs318u 3y ago
  I use Microsoft Edge - have added their apt repository so updates are automagical. Edge, though based on Chrome's engine, still supports manifest V2 so adblockers such as UO still work fine. Even better, Edge let's you "appify" sites like Teams and Outlook - perfect for work. I use Edge for all my WFH needs, turning off UO for most MS sites (to avoid any subtle issues), and Firefox for all personal needs. Works for me. Oh, and Teams on Linux using Edge works a treat.
  - _cenw 3y ago
    Absolutely not. I've gone great lengths about my attempt at using Edge here. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38430102 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38430102 In short: It has zero respect for the user, so little that it regularly gaslit me into thinking I had agreed to things I did not. They also signaled intent to simply merge the ripping out of MV2, so as soon as Chrome drops it, Edge will too.
eyegor 3y ago
There are several web apis that Mozilla refuses to support, for example webhid or webusb, which all chromium browsers have had for years at this point. Same for little css features and some bits in the webaudio and webrtc implementations. Mozilla refusing to support webhid in any way: https://mozilla.github.io/standards-positions/#webhid https://mozilla.github.io/standards-positions/#webhid Chrome adding it to stable in 2021: https://developer.chrome.com/blog/new-in-chrome-89/ https://developer.chrome.com/blog/new-in-chrome-89/
- nolist_policy 3y ago
  This, they refuse to implement it claiming privacy reasons. The sad thing is, if FirefoxOS would still be a thing they wouldn't bat an eye.
  - mcpackieh 3y ago
    Can you defend the proposition that Firefox isn't a viable browser for lack of these APIs by listing popular websites that won't work without them? Serious question, because I can't think of any.
    - charcircuit 3y ago
      https://suite.trezor.io/web/ https://suite.trezor.io/web/ https://pixelrepair.withgoogle.com/ https://pixelrepair.withgoogle.com/ Are 2 that pop in to my head
      - mcpackieh 3y ago
        Trezor is... a crypto hardware wallet? I can't imagine this sort of thing is popular enough to block firefox from mainstream adoption. The pixel repair site is an interesting example, but AFAIK, Pixel phones have about 2% of the US market share and this website is only useful to a small number of those users (those who encounter a serious error) and isn't something even those users would be using often. If I had to use this website and couldn't get my phone fixed another way, I could install and use Chrome (or I presume another Chromium browser) and use it for this single purpose. It would take me only a few minutes/hours(?) and then I'd be done with it. Why would a site like this keep me using Chrome permanently? I just can't imagine that.
        charcircuit 3y ago
        I think this is pretty typical of these niche web features. Like most users have no need for web midi and most likely don't even own a midi device that it would work with. But niche websites can find great value in the api being available and offer sites to users which bring them value without having them install a native app. Also I'm not sure if it's a good idea to give people a reason to install and use a competitors browser.

What exactly do you think is substandard about Firefox?

by roca 3y ago

What exactly do you think is substandard about Firefox?

https://github.com/webcompat/web-bugs/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3Abrowser-firefox https://github.com/webcompat/web-bugs/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%... Microsoft Teams (which I don't think many people use voluntarily) in particular breaks in stupid ways - and then in others if you spoof your user agent.

phs318u 3y ago
I use Microsoft Edge - have added their apt repository so updates are automagical. Edge, though based on Chrome's engine, still supports manifest V2 so adblockers such as UO still work fine. Even better, Edge let's you "appify" sites like Teams and Outlook - perfect for work. I use Edge for all my WFH needs, turning off UO for most MS sites (to avoid any subtle issues), and Firefox for all personal needs. Works for me. Oh, and Teams on Linux using Edge works a treat.
- _cenw 3y ago
  Absolutely not. I've gone great lengths about my attempt at using Edge here. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38430102 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38430102 In short: It has zero respect for the user, so little that it regularly gaslit me into thinking I had agreed to things I did not. They also signaled intent to simply merge the ripping out of MV2, so as soon as Chrome drops it, Edge will too.

eyegor 3y ago

There are several web apis that Mozilla refuses to support, for example webhid or webusb, which all chromium browsers have had for years at this point. Same for little css features and some bits in the webaudio and webrtc implementations. Mozilla refusing to support webhid in any way: https://mozilla.github.io/standards-positions/#webhid https://mozilla.github.io/standards-positions/#webhid Chrome adding it to stable in 2021: https://developer.chrome.com/blog/new-in-chrome-89/ https://developer.chrome.com/blog/new-in-chrome-89/

nolist_policy 3y ago
This, they refuse to implement it claiming privacy reasons. The sad thing is, if FirefoxOS would still be a thing they wouldn't bat an eye.
- mcpackieh 3y ago
  Can you defend the proposition that Firefox isn't a viable browser for lack of these APIs by listing popular websites that won't work without them? Serious question, because I can't think of any.
  - charcircuit 3y ago
    https://suite.trezor.io/web/ https://suite.trezor.io/web/ https://pixelrepair.withgoogle.com/ https://pixelrepair.withgoogle.com/ Are 2 that pop in to my head
    - mcpackieh 3y ago
      Trezor is... a crypto hardware wallet? I can't imagine this sort of thing is popular enough to block firefox from mainstream adoption. The pixel repair site is an interesting example, but AFAIK, Pixel phones have about 2% of the US market share and this website is only useful to a small number of those users (those who encounter a serious error) and isn't something even those users would be using often. If I had to use this website and couldn't get my phone fixed another way, I could install and use Chrome (or I presume another Chromium browser) and use it for this single purpose. It would take me only a few minutes/hours(?) and then I'd be done with it. Why would a site like this keep me using Chrome permanently? I just can't imagine that.
      - charcircuit 3y ago
        I think this is pretty typical of these niche web features. Like most users have no need for web midi and most likely don't even own a midi device that it would work with. But niche websites can find great value in the api being available and offer sites to users which bring them value without having them install a native app. Also I'm not sure if it's a good idea to give people a reason to install and use a competitors browser.