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Say what you will about Musk, but he's making an effort in this regard. He has open sourced a number of goodies with Tesla.

bsder 3y ago
Um, last I checked, the repository was a bunch of PDF user manuals. Has that changed?
conradev 3y ago
Isn't Tesla actively hostile towards charging network interoperability?
- artificialLimbs 3y ago
  No. They have opened source the schematics for their chargers and welcome other manufacturers to use their charger design. https://www.tesla.com/support/charging/product-guides https://www.tesla.com/support/charging/product-guides
  - conradev 3y ago
    Open source schematics and a closed Supercharger network until this year, at least in the US. It's hard to separate Tesla's intentions in opening up their charging network from the legislation in both the US and EU incentivizing it.
- vikramkr 3y ago
  No they did actually follow through on the charging stuff to the point where NACS is now the new north American standard, which is kind of wild to see given how they've acted before.
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- PinguTS 3y ago
  Funfact: NACS ist just CCS with a different physical connector. You just need to read and understand the specs.
TaylorAlexander 3y ago
Be careful about that. Just last week he lied about open sourcing the original roadster. Musk very clearly said "all design and engineering for the original roadster is open source" but that statement is false. There's a few PCB designs available and one diagnostic program, but there are zero mechanical designs and I suspect there are missing firmwares, among other things. Given these glaring omissions (and Musk is certainly qualified to understand what "all design and engineering" means), I suspect there is a trove of other "design and engineering" documentation that is missing as well. I believe none of the cars shipping today contain any open source electronics. Teslas are notoriously full of very expensive proprietary electronics. He has indeed released some "goodies" but is nonetheless as bad as every other shipping car manufacturer today. It is honestly hard to say he is making an effort when he is so blatantly lying about the roadster and his other vehicles are completely proprietary. Not saying he is worse than the other companies, but I can't give him credit for something he is not doing.
- KennyBlanken 3y ago
  > Musk is certainly qualified to understand what "all design and engineering" means I'd say there is a mountain of evidence from SpaceX and Tesla that's not actually true and that he has little to no understanding of anything related to engineering, nor the ability to manage engineering teams effectively; I think he's surrounded by people that are actually talented and do a lot to scrambling to make stuff happen and fix his messes. The huge 'box' his demanded his team put together, to rescue people from a cave with passages so narrow diver could not wear tanks on their backs? To me that demonstrates he has no ability to analyze a problem at high level and correctly apply the engineering resources available to him. Examples: * Dishy, which had basic design flaws, such as a permanently attached power/data cable that if damaged meant you had to purchase an entire new unit * Hyperloop. * SpaceX's repeated failures, which they spin as "it's okay, we meant to fuck up, we got data!", including the disaster where his insistence on launching on 4/20 resulted in substantial vehicle damage (5-8 rockets failed), heavy damage to the facility, a 380 acre wide debris field (so severe you could see debris landing in the ocean from an aerial shot well outside the launch danger zone), a forest fire, and heavy damage to a car (parked within the "hazard area.") * Musk's repeated production-related issues at Tesla, and his insistence on automating as much as possible even when experts in their field who work for him tell him it's not possible * Repeated demonstrations of engineering incompetence at Telsa. The Model S drivetrain units used to be disposable and would be quietly replaced during routine service at anywhere from 10-30k miles. They still can't make a Tesla with proper body panel gaps. People have found bits of wood/wire/duct tape holding their Tesla's guts together. For years Model S's couldn't be driven in heavy rain or through large puddles without water ending up in the drive units. Windows randomly shattering while cars are parked in driveways and garages. Etc
buildbot 3y ago
Aren’t they still violating linux’s GPL license?

bsder 3y ago

Um, last I checked, the repository was a bunch of PDF user manuals. Has that changed?

conradev 3y ago

Isn't Tesla actively hostile towards charging network interoperability?

artificialLimbs 3y ago
No. They have opened source the schematics for their chargers and welcome other manufacturers to use their charger design. https://www.tesla.com/support/charging/product-guides https://www.tesla.com/support/charging/product-guides
- conradev 3y ago
  Open source schematics and a closed Supercharger network until this year, at least in the US. It's hard to separate Tesla's intentions in opening up their charging network from the legislation in both the US and EU incentivizing it.
vikramkr 3y ago
No they did actually follow through on the charging stuff to the point where NACS is now the new north American standard, which is kind of wild to see given how they've acted before.
- deleted 3y ago
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PinguTS 3y ago
Funfact: NACS ist just CCS with a different physical connector. You just need to read and understand the specs.

TaylorAlexander 3y ago

Be careful about that. Just last week he lied about open sourcing the original roadster. Musk very clearly said "all design and engineering for the original roadster is open source" but that statement is false. There's a few PCB designs available and one diagnostic program, but there are zero mechanical designs and I suspect there are missing firmwares, among other things. Given these glaring omissions (and Musk is certainly qualified to understand what "all design and engineering" means), I suspect there is a trove of other "design and engineering" documentation that is missing as well. I believe none of the cars shipping today contain any open source electronics. Teslas are notoriously full of very expensive proprietary electronics. He has indeed released some "goodies" but is nonetheless as bad as every other shipping car manufacturer today. It is honestly hard to say he is making an effort when he is so blatantly lying about the roadster and his other vehicles are completely proprietary. Not saying he is worse than the other companies, but I can't give him credit for something he is not doing.

KennyBlanken 3y ago
> Musk is certainly qualified to understand what "all design and engineering" means I'd say there is a mountain of evidence from SpaceX and Tesla that's not actually true and that he has little to no understanding of anything related to engineering, nor the ability to manage engineering teams effectively; I think he's surrounded by people that are actually talented and do a lot to scrambling to make stuff happen and fix his messes. The huge 'box' his demanded his team put together, to rescue people from a cave with passages so narrow diver could not wear tanks on their backs? To me that demonstrates he has no ability to analyze a problem at high level and correctly apply the engineering resources available to him. Examples: * Dishy, which had basic design flaws, such as a permanently attached power/data cable that if damaged meant you had to purchase an entire new unit * Hyperloop. * SpaceX's repeated failures, which they spin as "it's okay, we meant to fuck up, we got data!", including the disaster where his insistence on launching on 4/20 resulted in substantial vehicle damage (5-8 rockets failed), heavy damage to the facility, a 380 acre wide debris field (so severe you could see debris landing in the ocean from an aerial shot well outside the launch danger zone), a forest fire, and heavy damage to a car (parked within the "hazard area.") * Musk's repeated production-related issues at Tesla, and his insistence on automating as much as possible even when experts in their field who work for him tell him it's not possible * Repeated demonstrations of engineering incompetence at Telsa. The Model S drivetrain units used to be disposable and would be quietly replaced during routine service at anywhere from 10-30k miles. They still can't make a Tesla with proper body panel gaps. People have found bits of wood/wire/duct tape holding their Tesla's guts together. For years Model S's couldn't be driven in heavy rain or through large puddles without water ending up in the drive units. Windows randomly shattering while cars are parked in driveways and garages. Etc

buildbot 3y ago

Aren’t they still violating linux’s GPL license?