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There's really no point staying in an abusive relationship with Chrome. Just use Firefox. uBlock Origin works best in Firefox: https://github.com/gorhill/uBlo

There's really no point staying in an abusive relationship with Chrome. Just use Firefox. uBlock Origin works best in Firefox: https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-Origin-works-best-on-Firefox https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-Origin-works-b...

FreezerburnV 3y ago
Sorry I like the battery in my laptop, and I like my browser not consuming 1GB RAM per process, tabs not taking multiple seconds to close if I have the browser open for a while without restarting it, etc. I try it every so often and it’s always exactly this bad. I’ll just stick to something like Brave if I’m not using Chrome directly.
- nathanaldensr 3y ago
  Enjoy your Chrome prison, then.
- mixmastamyk 3y ago
  Never had that problem even at FF’s worst. Try deleting your profile and starting over.
  - FreezerburnV 3y ago
    I guess I could give it a try. I see this kind of thing across both macOS and Windows though, but I do have sync on so theoretically there could be something there causing extreme issues across multiple computers and 2 OSes, generally despite me trying to even follow stuff like FasterFox to make it work better.
    - pcwalton 3y ago
      Don't use Fasterfox. It tweaks many settings that frequently result in performance regressions. The default networking-related settings are set the way they are for a reason.
      - FreezerburnV 3y ago
        Performance has not been a complaint of mine, especially network-related. It's everything else. Almost like Firefox is optimizing for just shoveling as much CPU power and RAM as possible into it's gaping, bloated maw, not caring about anything else. Kinda like an old mail application from a startup I worked at. Nothing has ever matched how amazingly good it was at certain things it did (or even have similar features), but hot DANG did it just drink battery like its going out of style.
        PrimeMcFly 3y ago
        Use a fork like Librewolf, and look into having a customized user.js for performance tweaks. There is a lot you can do. For me, currently, my setup is the best browser I've ever used.
        pcwalton 3y ago
        Don't use a fork and don't customize your user.js. It is exceedingly unlikely that excess power consumption is caused by anything you can easily tweak. Instead report issues to Mozilla.
        PrimeMcFly 3y ago
        Very bad advice. Some forks have clear advantages, are well maintained and trustworthy. There are numerous reasons to maintain a user.js file also, not just performance reasons. Indeed, report issues to Mozilla directly, but that isn't inconsistent with using a fork and maintaining a user.js
        pcwalton 3y ago
        > Almost like Firefox is optimizing for just shoveling as much CPU power and RAM as possible into it's gaping, bloated maw, not caring about anything else. That is of course not the case.
- clouddrover 3y ago
  > Sorry I like the battery in my laptop, and I like my browser not consuming 1GB RAM per process With more effective ad blocking in Firefox you'll process less and load less. And since Firefox lets uBlock Origin use WebAssembly the blocking runs faster and more efficiently too.
  - FreezerburnV 3y ago
    I don’t use browsers unless I have uBlock Origin installed. Despite Firefox getting better features from it, it’s a crazy resource hog. And that’s in comparison to Chrome! Let alone all the other issues I have which I have no hope of going away either. (Well, no hope isn’t quite accurate since like I said I give it a spin occasionally only to walk away disappointed)
    - clouddrover 3y ago
      > it’s a crazy resource hog It isn't. Chrome and Firefox have similar memory usage these days. Actual measurements are better than anecdotes. Here are some actual measurements: https://www.tomsguide.com/news/chrome-firefox-edge-ram-comparison https://www.tomsguide.com/news/chrome-firefox-edge-ram-compa...
      - FreezerburnV 3y ago
        Funnily enough, responding to someone saying "I literally saw multiple processes eating 1GB+ of RAM" with "This website over here did some measurements and says you're wrong" isn't going to come across as well as you think it is. I've had Chrome open for some number of days and when I check Activity Monitor, the most RAM-expensive process is currently sitting at <500MB, a few others at 100-300MB, and the rest at under 100MB. The "energy impact" of it is at 160-ish. Whereas, again, Firefox was taking up 1GB+ of RAM in multiple processes and the energy impact was more like 260-ish, my battery was dying way faster, I would see CPU usage of double Chrome regularly, and macOS was always saying that Firefox was using a lot of power. The RAM usage is something I've seen on Windows as well, along with issues with the browser just behaving poorly over time. I just don't see these issues on Chrome or (most of) its derivative browsers. (I've used Brave a lot as well) Guess I'm just objectively wrong though, because Toms Guide disagrees with what I'm seeing.
- tyingq 3y ago
  Chrome will catch up on energy use once non-heuristic / dumb ad blockers are the only option for non-tech people. Once manifest v3 is in place, the other shoe drops, and you start getting ads that you can't block. And ads add page bloat, unneeded data transfer, etc. E.g, my boring Chevy starts to looks pretty performant next to your Ferrari once you have to tote around 2 tons of bricks and I don't :)
- extragood 3y ago
  I have to say that is precisely the opposite of my experience. I held on to a 2012 4 GB MacBook Air until fairly recently as my casual web browsing machine. With such low system memory, I had to be extremely economical with my open tabs; no more than 3 or 4 at a time. The great suspender plugin helped until it became malware infested, and with that no longer an option, I moved to Firefox. The resource utlization improvement was immediately apparent and I haven't looked back, even after I finally updated my machine.
candiddevmike 3y ago
Firefox and Pocket are abusive too though
- shoeb00m 3y ago
  You can disable pocket though. Even if you don’t it doesn’t do anything other than take space on your search bar
  - clouddrover 3y ago
    And you can take it off the search bar. Right click on the toolbar -> Customize Toolbar... and then set it up the way you want.
- clouddrover 3y ago
  How? If you don't want to use Firefox Sync then don't use it. If you don't want to use Pocket then don't use it. It's not hard to not use them. I don't use either one.
  - VancouverMan 3y ago
    Firefox's users shouldn't have to ignore or disable them. That kind of extraneous functionality just shouldn't be bundled with Firefox to begin with. If a user does want such functionality, then an extension could be voluntarily installed to provide it.
    - varelse 3y ago
      [dead]
    - throwaway525142 3y ago
      I agree that this could be viewed as bad. However, this is way less of an issue than Google taking choice away, which is what the great-grandparent comment was about.
    - Krssst 3y ago
chx 3y ago
Is there a tool which helps migrating? I have tons of extensions and just iterating over them name-by-name and installing or offering to install what matches would clear a huge obstacle. I see there's a new option to directly import the Chrome extension but I suspect that's not the best.
- beej71 3y ago
  I think they just added something to auto migrate your extensions when possible.
- clouddrover 3y ago
  Yes. It looks at what extensions you have in Chrome and downloads the equivalent Firefox version from Mozilla's add-ons for supported extensions: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/import-data-another-browser https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/import-data-another-bro...
  - chx 3y ago
    Found 4 out of 34. It does not do what I asked for. I believe it works from a fixed list of extensions. Here's a pair it doesn't find: https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/better-pathofexile-tradin/fhlinfpmdlijegjlpgedcmglkakaghnk https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/better-pathofexile-... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/better-pathofexile-trading/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/better-pathof...

FreezerburnV 3y ago

Sorry I like the battery in my laptop, and I like my browser not consuming 1GB RAM per process, tabs not taking multiple seconds to close if I have the browser open for a while without restarting it, etc. I try it every so often and it’s always exactly this bad. I’ll just stick to something like Brave if I’m not using Chrome directly.

nathanaldensr 3y ago
Enjoy your Chrome prison, then.
mixmastamyk 3y ago
Never had that problem even at FF’s worst. Try deleting your profile and starting over.
- FreezerburnV 3y ago
  I guess I could give it a try. I see this kind of thing across both macOS and Windows though, but I do have sync on so theoretically there could be something there causing extreme issues across multiple computers and 2 OSes, generally despite me trying to even follow stuff like FasterFox to make it work better.
  - pcwalton 3y ago
    Don't use Fasterfox. It tweaks many settings that frequently result in performance regressions. The default networking-related settings are set the way they are for a reason.
    - FreezerburnV 3y ago
      Performance has not been a complaint of mine, especially network-related. It's everything else. Almost like Firefox is optimizing for just shoveling as much CPU power and RAM as possible into it's gaping, bloated maw, not caring about anything else. Kinda like an old mail application from a startup I worked at. Nothing has ever matched how amazingly good it was at certain things it did (or even have similar features), but hot DANG did it just drink battery like its going out of style.
      - PrimeMcFly 3y ago
        Use a fork like Librewolf, and look into having a customized user.js for performance tweaks. There is a lot you can do. For me, currently, my setup is the best browser I've ever used.
        pcwalton 3y ago
        Don't use a fork and don't customize your user.js. It is exceedingly unlikely that excess power consumption is caused by anything you can easily tweak. Instead report issues to Mozilla.
        PrimeMcFly 3y ago
        Very bad advice. Some forks have clear advantages, are well maintained and trustworthy. There are numerous reasons to maintain a user.js file also, not just performance reasons. Indeed, report issues to Mozilla directly, but that isn't inconsistent with using a fork and maintaining a user.js
      - pcwalton 3y ago
        > Almost like Firefox is optimizing for just shoveling as much CPU power and RAM as possible into it's gaping, bloated maw, not caring about anything else. That is of course not the case.
clouddrover 3y ago
> Sorry I like the battery in my laptop, and I like my browser not consuming 1GB RAM per process With more effective ad blocking in Firefox you'll process less and load less. And since Firefox lets uBlock Origin use WebAssembly the blocking runs faster and more efficiently too.
- FreezerburnV 3y ago
  I don’t use browsers unless I have uBlock Origin installed. Despite Firefox getting better features from it, it’s a crazy resource hog. And that’s in comparison to Chrome! Let alone all the other issues I have which I have no hope of going away either. (Well, no hope isn’t quite accurate since like I said I give it a spin occasionally only to walk away disappointed)
  - clouddrover 3y ago
    > it’s a crazy resource hog It isn't. Chrome and Firefox have similar memory usage these days. Actual measurements are better than anecdotes. Here are some actual measurements: https://www.tomsguide.com/news/chrome-firefox-edge-ram-comparison https://www.tomsguide.com/news/chrome-firefox-edge-ram-compa...
    - FreezerburnV 3y ago
      Funnily enough, responding to someone saying "I literally saw multiple processes eating 1GB+ of RAM" with "This website over here did some measurements and says you're wrong" isn't going to come across as well as you think it is. I've had Chrome open for some number of days and when I check Activity Monitor, the most RAM-expensive process is currently sitting at <500MB, a few others at 100-300MB, and the rest at under 100MB. The "energy impact" of it is at 160-ish. Whereas, again, Firefox was taking up 1GB+ of RAM in multiple processes and the energy impact was more like 260-ish, my battery was dying way faster, I would see CPU usage of double Chrome regularly, and macOS was always saying that Firefox was using a lot of power. The RAM usage is something I've seen on Windows as well, along with issues with the browser just behaving poorly over time. I just don't see these issues on Chrome or (most of) its derivative browsers. (I've used Brave a lot as well) Guess I'm just objectively wrong though, because Toms Guide disagrees with what I'm seeing.
tyingq 3y ago
Chrome will catch up on energy use once non-heuristic / dumb ad blockers are the only option for non-tech people. Once manifest v3 is in place, the other shoe drops, and you start getting ads that you can't block. And ads add page bloat, unneeded data transfer, etc. E.g, my boring Chevy starts to looks pretty performant next to your Ferrari once you have to tote around 2 tons of bricks and I don't :)
extragood 3y ago
I have to say that is precisely the opposite of my experience. I held on to a 2012 4 GB MacBook Air until fairly recently as my casual web browsing machine. With such low system memory, I had to be extremely economical with my open tabs; no more than 3 or 4 at a time. The great suspender plugin helped until it became malware infested, and with that no longer an option, I moved to Firefox. The resource utlization improvement was immediately apparent and I haven't looked back, even after I finally updated my machine.

candiddevmike 3y ago

Firefox and Pocket are abusive too though

shoeb00m 3y ago
You can disable pocket though. Even if you don’t it doesn’t do anything other than take space on your search bar
- clouddrover 3y ago
  And you can take it off the search bar. Right click on the toolbar -> Customize Toolbar... and then set it up the way you want.
clouddrover 3y ago
How? If you don't want to use Firefox Sync then don't use it. If you don't want to use Pocket then don't use it. It's not hard to not use them. I don't use either one.
- VancouverMan 3y ago
  Firefox's users shouldn't have to ignore or disable them. That kind of extraneous functionality just shouldn't be bundled with Firefox to begin with. If a user does want such functionality, then an extension could be voluntarily installed to provide it.
  - varelse 3y ago
    [dead]
  - throwaway525142 3y ago
    I agree that this could be viewed as bad. However, this is way less of an issue than Google taking choice away, which is what the great-grandparent comment was about.
  - Krssst 3y ago

chx 3y ago

Is there a tool which helps migrating? I have tons of extensions and just iterating over them name-by-name and installing or offering to install what matches would clear a huge obstacle. I see there's a new option to directly import the Chrome extension but I suspect that's not the best.

beej71 3y ago
I think they just added something to auto migrate your extensions when possible.
clouddrover 3y ago
Yes. It looks at what extensions you have in Chrome and downloads the equivalent Firefox version from Mozilla's add-ons for supported extensions: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/import-data-another-browser https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/import-data-another-bro...
- chx 3y ago
  Found 4 out of 34. It does not do what I asked for. I believe it works from a fixed list of extensions. Here's a pair it doesn't find: https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/better-pathofexile-tradin/fhlinfpmdlijegjlpgedcmglkakaghnk https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/better-pathofexile-... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/better-pathofexile-trading/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/better-pathof...