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I’ve heard many “pirates” say similar things, and when their condition is met, they find a new demand. Why would an IP rights-holder believe you? Why not just

by nickff 3y ago

I’ve heard many “pirates” say similar things, and when their condition is met, they find a new demand. Why would an IP rights-holder believe you? Why not just buy physical media where available, and abstain where an acceptable legal option is not provided?

calamari4065 3y ago
When it's harder to legally pay for media than it is to pirate, it's your own fault when people pirate.
stavros 3y ago
You misunderstand, I'm not trying to convince rights holders. I hope they go out of business, and I hope my piracy is what does it. It's just that, knowing myself, I know I wouldn't bother with the hassle of pirating if there were a better alternative, like I stopped pirating games and just buy them on Steam now.
- PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
  I've recently started pirating again specifically because everything has been pulled off of netflix. I'm not going to be nickle & dime'd. You were getting paid for my consumption and now you're not.
- causality0 3y ago
  Well said. Users pirating content vs the largest companies on earth fucking users in every way they can possibly get away with is a great example of "one death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic".
  - stavros 3y ago
    They don't just fuck users, they fuck their employees as well. How many writers' strikes have there been now? How much of an open secret was Weinstein raping and abusing actresses? I hope the whole system dies, and maybe something better will take its place. I'm sure I won't miss Guardians of the Galaxy XXIV.
    - aidenn0 3y ago
      Indeed, GotG is really going to peak around volume 16.
    - tzs 3y ago
      > I'm sure I won't miss Guardians of the Galaxy XXIV. Is this because you thought GotG 1-3 were bad and they are just going to keep making more bad stuff, or because you thought GotG 1-3 were good but have pretty much wrapped up the story of those characters so it is now time to stop, or something else?
      - bravetraveler 3y ago
        (not who you're asking, but I saw this negative and thought it deserves an answer) It's a much wider criticism. Not a specific series... or even media. There are perverse incentives between producer, actor, and consumer in entertainment and so many other things. In this light, I'd argue piracy is moral by not providing support to a corrupt system. Or at least serves as a means to prevent such a state
      - stavros 3y ago
        Neither, Hollywood has been playing it so safe that they don't dare produce anything original any more, and it has become much more boring as a whole lately.
- kaladin-jasnah 3y ago
  Gabe Newell himself said "piracy is a service problem," and it really shows because buying on Steam is 10x more convenient as a Linux user than pirating the game. Especially with Linux gaming, I think Valve has made it more convenient to just buy games.
  - stavros 3y ago
    Steam is a godsend for Linux. I no longer have to even check where a game plays, I know that a Steam game will play on Linux. Nowadays I buy games mostly as thanks to Valve's Linux efforts, as I don't really tend to game much.
    - iforgotpassword 3y ago
      It's still not every game, checking protondb before buying is good advice.
      - stavros 3y ago
        That's true, that's oversimplification on my part. I tend to like older, non-AAA games, and I haven't had a single one of those fail so far.
pravus 3y ago
> Why would an IP rights-holder believe you? Because in addition to all the filthy pirated booty I stole, I would also show them this: * My 350+ physical CD collection * My 200+ physical DVD/Blu-Ray * My entire merch collection for Nine Inch Nails (>$1000) * My entire merch collection for Rings of Saturn (>$1000) * My merch collection from many, many, many other bands * Pages of receipts from Bandcamp and other e-media distributors * Pages of receipts from direct payments to artists themselves * The mass of ticket stubs I've acquired from live shows * The mass of movie ticket stubs I've acquired from theaters I'm never paying for entertainment again. I paid my dues and the industry has done nothing but fuck me and everyone else. Fuck them. It's over. Have fun paying to sing "Happy Birthday".
- tacticalturtle 3y ago
  Fortunately at least “Happy Birthday” is in the public domain as of 2016.
- bigstrat2003 3y ago
  I think it's perfectly reasonable to refuse to do business with the media companies who are, indeed, evil and dishonest in how they do business. By all means, never give them another dime. But you also don't have the right to decide "but I still want to consume the content that comes out in the future" and take it without paying. Doing that is no better, morally, than this shit which Sony is pulling. It's taking something which doesn't belong to you. If one does that, then their ideals are hollow and they really were just rationalizing their own selfish behavior. I'm not accusing you specifically of that, but it is depressingly common.

by nickff 3y ago

calamari4065 3y ago

When it's harder to legally pay for media than it is to pirate, it's your own fault when people pirate.

stavros 3y ago

You misunderstand, I'm not trying to convince rights holders. I hope they go out of business, and I hope my piracy is what does it. It's just that, knowing myself, I know I wouldn't bother with the hassle of pirating if there were a better alternative, like I stopped pirating games and just buy them on Steam now.

PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
I've recently started pirating again specifically because everything has been pulled off of netflix. I'm not going to be nickle & dime'd. You were getting paid for my consumption and now you're not.
causality0 3y ago
Well said. Users pirating content vs the largest companies on earth fucking users in every way they can possibly get away with is a great example of "one death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic".
- stavros 3y ago
  They don't just fuck users, they fuck their employees as well. How many writers' strikes have there been now? How much of an open secret was Weinstein raping and abusing actresses? I hope the whole system dies, and maybe something better will take its place. I'm sure I won't miss Guardians of the Galaxy XXIV.
  - aidenn0 3y ago
    Indeed, GotG is really going to peak around volume 16.
  - tzs 3y ago
    > I'm sure I won't miss Guardians of the Galaxy XXIV. Is this because you thought GotG 1-3 were bad and they are just going to keep making more bad stuff, or because you thought GotG 1-3 were good but have pretty much wrapped up the story of those characters so it is now time to stop, or something else?
    - bravetraveler 3y ago
      (not who you're asking, but I saw this negative and thought it deserves an answer) It's a much wider criticism. Not a specific series... or even media. There are perverse incentives between producer, actor, and consumer in entertainment and so many other things. In this light, I'd argue piracy is moral by not providing support to a corrupt system. Or at least serves as a means to prevent such a state
    - stavros 3y ago
      Neither, Hollywood has been playing it so safe that they don't dare produce anything original any more, and it has become much more boring as a whole lately.
kaladin-jasnah 3y ago
Gabe Newell himself said "piracy is a service problem," and it really shows because buying on Steam is 10x more convenient as a Linux user than pirating the game. Especially with Linux gaming, I think Valve has made it more convenient to just buy games.
- stavros 3y ago
  Steam is a godsend for Linux. I no longer have to even check where a game plays, I know that a Steam game will play on Linux. Nowadays I buy games mostly as thanks to Valve's Linux efforts, as I don't really tend to game much.
  - iforgotpassword 3y ago
    It's still not every game, checking protondb before buying is good advice.
    - stavros 3y ago
      That's true, that's oversimplification on my part. I tend to like older, non-AAA games, and I haven't had a single one of those fail so far.

pravus 3y ago

> Why would an IP rights-holder believe you? Because in addition to all the filthy pirated booty I stole, I would also show them this: * My 350+ physical CD collection * My 200+ physical DVD/Blu-Ray * My entire merch collection for Nine Inch Nails (>$1000) * My entire merch collection for Rings of Saturn (>$1000) * My merch collection from many, many, many other bands * Pages of receipts from Bandcamp and other e-media distributors * Pages of receipts from direct payments to artists themselves * The mass of ticket stubs I've acquired from live shows * The mass of movie ticket stubs I've acquired from theaters I'm never paying for entertainment again. I paid my dues and the industry has done nothing but fuck me and everyone else. Fuck them. It's over. Have fun paying to sing "Happy Birthday".

tacticalturtle 3y ago
Fortunately at least “Happy Birthday” is in the public domain as of 2016.
bigstrat2003 3y ago
I think it's perfectly reasonable to refuse to do business with the media companies who are, indeed, evil and dishonest in how they do business. By all means, never give them another dime. But you also don't have the right to decide "but I still want to consume the content that comes out in the future" and take it without paying. Doing that is no better, morally, than this shit which Sony is pulling. It's taking something which doesn't belong to you. If one does that, then their ideals are hollow and they really were just rationalizing their own selfish behavior. I'm not accusing you specifically of that, but it is depressingly common.