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Every generation has their moral panic. This is just the latest. Deceiving someone is fraud, certainly. But the website makes no pretense that it's a dating si

Every generation has their moral panic. This is just the latest. Deceiving someone is fraud, certainly. But the website makes no pretense that it's a dating site. People go there to simulate emotions. No different from how I go to the movies to simulate risky adventures, or others go to a church to feel what I do at an Arsenal game.

arp242 3y ago
Saying "X is bad because Y" is not a "panic". You can disagree with that, but that doesn't make it a "panic". And it is different because everyone understands what a movie or football game is and there is no faux-personal connection or pretence of one, whereas these types of things are much more murky, never mind the outright fraud of "you're talking to someone other than you think".
- renewiltord 3y ago
  To reiterate, non-participatory deception is fraud. But participatory deception isn't. When I go watch a movie, I choose to believe that there is this magician who would kill clones of himself to be the best magician alive. They're "lying" to me. What was on screen never happened. They're depicting a fictional scene. But that's what I'm going there for. The deception. So their giving it to me isn't some sort of crime. And of course just saying "X is Y" is not a panic. It's the fact that it's quite wildly popular and very normative to say "X is Y" and to gasp and clutch one's pearls as one does so that makes it a moral panic. I'm sure history will judge me well.
harambae 3y ago
I don't know the exact definition but certainly associate "moral panic" with something that may or may not have ever existed or never existed to any meaningful extent. i.e. Did anyone ever actually put a razor blade in an apple on Halloween? Because I suspect that happened approximately never and yet our parents were cutting them open to be safe. This, on the other hand, is definitely real and documented.
- renewiltord 3y ago
  No, that's an "urban myth". Here is an article which describes some of the past https://www.usi.edu/news/releases/2017/02/rock-n-roll-and-moral-panics-part-one-1950s-and-1960s https://www.usi.edu/news/releases/2017/02/rock-n-roll-and-mo... > One of the moral panics associated with the first wave of rock 'n' roll was the fear of race mixing - that young black and white kids would get together over this music that had a rhythmic, primitive, sensuous beat. I have no doubt that young black and white kids got together to the sound of the beat. I'm sure you can find some documented real cases of people of different races falling in love over their shared love of rock 'n' roll.

arp242 3y ago

Saying "X is bad because Y" is not a "panic". You can disagree with that, but that doesn't make it a "panic". And it is different because everyone understands what a movie or football game is and there is no faux-personal connection or pretence of one, whereas these types of things are much more murky, never mind the outright fraud of "you're talking to someone other than you think".

renewiltord 3y ago
To reiterate, non-participatory deception is fraud. But participatory deception isn't. When I go watch a movie, I choose to believe that there is this magician who would kill clones of himself to be the best magician alive. They're "lying" to me. What was on screen never happened. They're depicting a fictional scene. But that's what I'm going there for. The deception. So their giving it to me isn't some sort of crime. And of course just saying "X is Y" is not a panic. It's the fact that it's quite wildly popular and very normative to say "X is Y" and to gasp and clutch one's pearls as one does so that makes it a moral panic. I'm sure history will judge me well.

harambae 3y ago

I don't know the exact definition but certainly associate "moral panic" with something that may or may not have ever existed or never existed to any meaningful extent. i.e. Did anyone ever actually put a razor blade in an apple on Halloween? Because I suspect that happened approximately never and yet our parents were cutting them open to be safe. This, on the other hand, is definitely real and documented.

renewiltord 3y ago
No, that's an "urban myth". Here is an article which describes some of the past https://www.usi.edu/news/releases/2017/02/rock-n-roll-and-moral-panics-part-one-1950s-and-1960s https://www.usi.edu/news/releases/2017/02/rock-n-roll-and-mo... > One of the moral panics associated with the first wave of rock 'n' roll was the fear of race mixing - that young black and white kids would get together over this music that had a rhythmic, primitive, sensuous beat. I have no doubt that young black and white kids got together to the sound of the beat. I'm sure you can find some documented real cases of people of different races falling in love over their shared love of rock 'n' roll.