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You're right, it's also like kicking Nokia while it's down. It's really sad.

rbanffy 15y ago
Remember Nokia did it to itself. They could fix MeeGo, they could have gone with Android and, instead, they bet their future on an OS that had shown very little hope of growth. They could also have left the smartphone market and focused on high-function S40 dumbphones and base a way up from there.
- recoiledsnake 15y ago
  Fix MeeGo? They failed at it, that's why they had to switch. There was no way that the Symbian sales could be replaced. Android? HTCs profit's are falling at an alarming clip, Motorola was in losses and got taken over inspite of the flagship Droid, LG reported a loss of $250 million for 2011. Nokia isn't going anywhere, it was expected that the transition would be very tough, if things get really dire, expect a bailout/takeover from Microsoft.
  - rbanffy 15y ago
    > if things get really dire, expect a bailout/takeover from Microsoft. I suspect this was the plan.
  - sciurus 15y ago
    True, MeeGo failed. I assume this was due to mismanagement and political problems at Nokia and Intel, since Nokia's phone based on MeeGo/Harmattan [0] was well received [1]. [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N9#MeeGo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N9#MeeGo [1] http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/22/nokia-n9-review/ http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/22/nokia-n9-review/
- taligent 15y ago
  MeeGo was a nice OS about 3 years too late. I have a N9 at work. It is nice. But with no ecosystem it nothing more than a feature phone. And whilst it is reasonable to focus on feature phones they aren't the future. Even in third world countries. They buy a feature phone whilst dreaming of an iPhone.
  - stcredzero 15y ago
    So all Apple has to do is to bring the price point of the 3GS down to feature phone levels to take over the world?
    - rbanffy 15y ago
      I don't think the iPhone experience is right for a limited function device. For those, a display and keys may be a better solution. It's also cheaper and the battery life is much better.
      - stcredzero 15y ago
        I said to bring the price down, not the experience.
        rbanffy 14y ago
        Some people just want to dial numbers and talk to people.
        stcredzero 14y ago
        I think tons of people in developing nations will want something more, like payments. I suspect many would jump at the chance to do those things on an iPhone.
  - artsrc 15y ago
    To late? People replace their phones frequently. The mobile app market is diverse and vibrant, with frequent new players and products. If new ecosystem can not develop then Windows Mobile was just as bad a choice as MeeGo.
- gravitronic 15y ago
  I agree. From a developers perspective they are a nightmare. Log onto their portal and there's more than 8 SDKs available for download without a clear message which are for what phone market or even still sold.

Remember Nokia did it to itself. They could fix MeeGo, they could have gone with Android and, instead, they bet their future on an OS that had shown very little hope of growth. They could also have left the smartphone market and focused on high-function S40 dumbphones and base a way up from there.

recoiledsnake 15y ago
Fix MeeGo? They failed at it, that's why they had to switch. There was no way that the Symbian sales could be replaced. Android? HTCs profit's are falling at an alarming clip, Motorola was in losses and got taken over inspite of the flagship Droid, LG reported a loss of $250 million for 2011. Nokia isn't going anywhere, it was expected that the transition would be very tough, if things get really dire, expect a bailout/takeover from Microsoft.
- rbanffy 15y ago
  > if things get really dire, expect a bailout/takeover from Microsoft. I suspect this was the plan.
- sciurus 15y ago
  True, MeeGo failed. I assume this was due to mismanagement and political problems at Nokia and Intel, since Nokia's phone based on MeeGo/Harmattan [0] was well received [1]. [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N9#MeeGo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N9#MeeGo [1] http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/22/nokia-n9-review/ http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/22/nokia-n9-review/
taligent 15y ago
MeeGo was a nice OS about 3 years too late. I have a N9 at work. It is nice. But with no ecosystem it nothing more than a feature phone. And whilst it is reasonable to focus on feature phones they aren't the future. Even in third world countries. They buy a feature phone whilst dreaming of an iPhone.
- stcredzero 15y ago
  So all Apple has to do is to bring the price point of the 3GS down to feature phone levels to take over the world?
  - rbanffy 15y ago
    I don't think the iPhone experience is right for a limited function device. For those, a display and keys may be a better solution. It's also cheaper and the battery life is much better.
    - stcredzero 15y ago
      I said to bring the price down, not the experience.
      - rbanffy 14y ago
        Some people just want to dial numbers and talk to people.
        stcredzero 14y ago
        I think tons of people in developing nations will want something more, like payments. I suspect many would jump at the chance to do those things on an iPhone.
- artsrc 15y ago
  To late? People replace their phones frequently. The mobile app market is diverse and vibrant, with frequent new players and products. If new ecosystem can not develop then Windows Mobile was just as bad a choice as MeeGo.
gravitronic 15y ago
I agree. From a developers perspective they are a nightmare. Log onto their portal and there's more than 8 SDKs available for download without a clear message which are for what phone market or even still sold.