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Yes this was a coup no doubt orchestrated by Microsoft with eager participation by Alternative Man. No sarcasm there, Microsoft should inspire the deepest cyni
by peteradio 3y ago
Yes this was a coup no doubt orchestrated by Microsoft with eager participation by Alternative Man. No sarcasm there, Microsoft should inspire the deepest cynicism in any who view their dealings.
- logicchains 3y ago>Alternative Man That sounds like the kind of name an AI incompetently trying to disguise itself would use.
- chollida1 3y agoHow did you come to the conclusion that this was orchestrated by Microsoft?
- peteradio 3y agoI feel comfortable concluding that the serial arsonist seen throwing molotav cocktails at the building was the actual cause of the fire and there wasn't some coincidental electrical fire.
- chollida1 3y agoThen how would you explain that Microsoft didn't find out about any of this until a minute or two before the board fired Altman. If they were involved in anyway, wouldn't they actually know this was about to happen? Your version of events requires us to assume all the board members are lying and Altman is lying and Microsoft is Lying and you and you alone know the truth. EDIT after reading some of your other comments, its clear you aren't operating based on facts, but just some made up fantasy that you want to believe:( I regret trying to engage in meaningful dialog with someone who isn't trying to argue in good faith:(
- peteradio 3y agoTsk tsk thou shalt always assume good faith!
- worik 3y ago> Yes this was a coup no doubt orchestrated by Microsoft Really? How did you reach that conclusion? All the evidence points to MS being blindsided
- peteradio 3y agoCorrect, Microsoft and Alternative Man have excellent PR campaigns.
- worik 3y agoSo no evidence for your opinion
- peteradio 3y agoSee: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38493318 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38493318 When a company of sheisters repeatedly sheists their way through history then assume interactions by them will generally be sheisty. I'd say this is some sort of reverse Hanlon's razor. As a sailor of yore manning a merchant ship, when approached by a frigate flying skull and crossbones I suppose you'd say "but captain we cannot know their true intentions perhaps they wish for some adhoc trade! It would be premature and I dare say prejudiced to assume otherwise!"
- gwern 3y agoI think OP makes clear actually that this was not a MS-inspired coup. MS appears to have had no role in the CSET paper criticism or anything else that I've found in the runup, and then during the crisis, being mostly reactive and defaulting to a simple loyalty of 'whatever our guy Altman says' (which included Altman+OA defecting to MS as their BATNA against the Board), and when the war went hot, ultimately decided that the status quo was most in their favor: "As enticing as Plan C initially seemed, Microsoft executives have since concluded that the current situation is the best possible outcome. Moving OpenAI’s staff into Microsoft could have led to costly and time-wasting litigation, in addition to possible government intervention. Under the new framework, Microsoft has gained a nonvoting board seat at OpenAI, giving it greater influence without attracting regulatory scrutiny."