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The traditional terms for "catholicphobic" inlude "anti-Catholic", "anti-papist", and "anti-clerical". Take https://www.monticello.org/research-education/for-s

The traditional terms for "catholicphobic" inlude "anti-Catholic", "anti-papist", and "anti-clerical". Take https://www.monticello.org/research-education/for-scholars/international-center-for-jefferson-studies/talks-lectures-symposia-conferences/thomas-jefferson-anti-papist/ https://www.monticello.org/research-education/for-scholars/i... as an example: "Thomas Jefferson’s well known anti-clericalism is generally treated as part of his advocacy for intellectual freedom, but it is also a sign of his participation in a much broader culture of anti-popery. Evan Haefeli will set Jefferson’s much lauded hope that America would “be to the world . . . the signal of arousing men to burst the chains under which monkish ignorance and superstition had persuaded them to bind themselves,” within a longstanding anti-popish tradition that contrasted liberty, knowledge, and science with stereotypes usually associated with Roman Catholicism. More than just anti-Catholic prejudice, the religious and political values derived from this tradition fused had been a fundamental part of how British Americans understood their liberty." The US had an anti-Catholic tradition up until at least the 1960s, which JFK had to address directly in his presidential election campaign. Just because we say "physics" instead of "physicology" doesn't mean it's not the same as other -ologies.

abletonlive 3y ago
You're completely missing the point. No liberal is going to sit here and talk about how we are anticatholic for talking about sexual abuse in the catholic church, but they certainly will say "islamophobia" if we start criticizing islam because of jihadists, the subjugation of women, and the treatment of LGBTQ. Suddenly it's "not all muslims" and such...
- eesmith 3y ago
  We certainly can criticize jihadists without criticizing Islam in exactly the same way we can criticize participants of the Protestant/Catholic conflicts in (Northern) Ireland without criticizing the Catholic or Anglican churches, much less all Anglicans and Catholics. The Islamophobia accusation comes in when people, for example, want to expel all non-citizen Muslims because of what a small number of jihaddists thousands of miles away did, or want to "bomb the region back to the Stone Age" for the same reason. Where are the calls to expel all Catholic foreign residents because of systemic sexual abuse in the Catholic Church? Where are the calls to nuke the Vatican? We should see far more of those if your two cases were really parallel, and were that so we would be hearing a lot of "not all Catholics." My point is that we already use "anti-Catholic" what you describe as "Catholicphobic". The English Reformation era was DEEPLY anti-Catholic, and far more violent towards recusants than Islamophobia in the modern US, with some executed for their Catholic faith. And yet we use the term "anti-Catholic", not "Catholicphobic" for that situation. (To further muddy the waters, "jihad" has multiple meanings and you are using a particularly Western interpretation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad points out "Most Western writers consider external jihad to have primacy over inner jihad in the Islamic tradition, while much of contemporary Muslim opinion favors the opposite view.[19]" Consider how US soldiers use "haji" has a slur when for Muslims it is an honorific title. Further, consider how George W. Bush called US action after 9/11 a "crusade" - a reference to a series of Christian military actions.)

abletonlive 3y ago

You're completely missing the point. No liberal is going to sit here and talk about how we are anticatholic for talking about sexual abuse in the catholic church, but they certainly will say "islamophobia" if we start criticizing islam because of jihadists, the subjugation of women, and the treatment of LGBTQ. Suddenly it's "not all muslims" and such...

eesmith 3y ago
We certainly can criticize jihadists without criticizing Islam in exactly the same way we can criticize participants of the Protestant/Catholic conflicts in (Northern) Ireland without criticizing the Catholic or Anglican churches, much less all Anglicans and Catholics. The Islamophobia accusation comes in when people, for example, want to expel all non-citizen Muslims because of what a small number of jihaddists thousands of miles away did, or want to "bomb the region back to the Stone Age" for the same reason. Where are the calls to expel all Catholic foreign residents because of systemic sexual abuse in the Catholic Church? Where are the calls to nuke the Vatican? We should see far more of those if your two cases were really parallel, and were that so we would be hearing a lot of "not all Catholics." My point is that we already use "anti-Catholic" what you describe as "Catholicphobic". The English Reformation era was DEEPLY anti-Catholic, and far more violent towards recusants than Islamophobia in the modern US, with some executed for their Catholic faith. And yet we use the term "anti-Catholic", not "Catholicphobic" for that situation. (To further muddy the waters, "jihad" has multiple meanings and you are using a particularly Western interpretation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad points out "Most Western writers consider external jihad to have primacy over inner jihad in the Islamic tradition, while much of contemporary Muslim opinion favors the opposite view.[19]" Consider how US soldiers use "haji" has a slur when for Muslims it is an honorific title. Further, consider how George W. Bush called US action after 9/11 a "crusade" - a reference to a series of Christian military actions.)