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Right. Because the only answer this ideology proposes is to "burn it all down and..." Which you might note is not an "answer" so much as it is succumbing to th

Right. Because the only answer this ideology proposes is to "burn it all down and..." Which you might note is not an "answer" so much as it is succumbing to the chaos that you don't feel is important enough to control. I do appreciate you making that explicit though! It's often hard to get people to admit to such naked dismissal of functional societal mechanisms that actual people get practical, tangible value from. Definitely contextualizes the framing more vividly.

matheusmoreira 3y ago
> Because the only answer this ideology proposes is to "burn it all down and..." Nothing wrong with that. Intellectual property proponents will "burn down" the entire technology field to get their way. Every day it's some new DRM bullshit. They couldn't care less about hacking and values like computing freedom. Then you have governments who want to do things like stop citizens from using strong cryptography. The fact people currently get value from it doesn't justify its continued existence. > succumbing to the chaos that you don't feel is important enough to control. Controlling it requires destroying everything I care about. I'd sacrifice the entire copyright industry to keep it. > I do appreciate you making that explicit though! It's what I strived to do from the beginning. I want to see things clearly, as they are. If the conclusion is the current status quo is a lie and should be abolished, so be it.
- catapart 3y ago
  Must be nice to be so privileged! I hope every damaging thing you are apathetic about happening to other people happens to you so that you are able to test your principles in the most comprehensive way.
  - matheusmoreira 3y ago
    No need to hope, I generally try to put my money where my mouth is. I give away my software under copyleft licenses. My website has no advertising, no tracking, nothing. I have no intention of ever suing anyone for license violations either. I have a sponsors thing which I think is a perfectly ethical way to make money since it doesn't depend on artificial scarcitiy. It's currently sitting at zero dollars per month and I'm not complaining about it. I don't even advertise it because I think advertising is unethical. I try not to post my projects unless people ask me about them. Whatever wealth I have was not earned by means of intellectual property. If you find instances where I'm contradicting my beliefs, I give you free license to call me out on it in public. I will either try to justify myself or try to change immediately if I can't.
    - catapart 3y ago
      I didn't say anything about hypocrisy; I don't care how you comport yourself or whatever personal restraints or actions you use to justify how you eschew empathy for ideological purity. You think you're unique? Or particularly virtuous? All of my software and licenses (and contributions) are CC0. How is that relevant? It's not. What I hope for you is that when you are reliant on something, it is stripped from you without regard for how you need it, and hopefully using a particular kind of logic that you find repugnant. That would be an appropriate reversal of the ideology you are preaching. I hope that you lose something you NEED and that the people that could help you simply won't. Not out of inability but out of ideology. I hope that it happens to you not because it would be distressing to you, but because I am confident that such experiences can make one understand how ideological purity (in any specific aspect, logic included) is not a particularly useful measure of the validity or utility of an ideology as it pertains to applicable function. And if it doesn't, then your argument is only enriched by having experienced it. It's a win-win, if you're interested in the type of rigidly structured nonsense you're expressing.
      - matheusmoreira 3y ago
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        catapart 3y ago
        Thank you, that is good to hear. I hope it continues to happen to you in more dire circumstances such that your education continues to enrich. I hope that you are so marginalized by ideology that you can no longer be, just like you advocate for those reliant on the values of IP. I hope that your education continues until you can be an example of the perfect version of what it means to have those engaging in ideological purity decide that you are an 'unfortunate consequence' of rearranging society in their image. I'll take your silence as a realization of said pinnacle, and any future responses as indicative of your need for further education. And, in those cases, please understand that I am continually hoping for your success in that. Bonne soirée!
        3y ago

matheusmoreira 3y ago

> Because the only answer this ideology proposes is to "burn it all down and..." Nothing wrong with that. Intellectual property proponents will "burn down" the entire technology field to get their way. Every day it's some new DRM bullshit. They couldn't care less about hacking and values like computing freedom. Then you have governments who want to do things like stop citizens from using strong cryptography. The fact people currently get value from it doesn't justify its continued existence. > succumbing to the chaos that you don't feel is important enough to control. Controlling it requires destroying everything I care about. I'd sacrifice the entire copyright industry to keep it. > I do appreciate you making that explicit though! It's what I strived to do from the beginning. I want to see things clearly, as they are. If the conclusion is the current status quo is a lie and should be abolished, so be it.

catapart 3y ago
Must be nice to be so privileged! I hope every damaging thing you are apathetic about happening to other people happens to you so that you are able to test your principles in the most comprehensive way.
- matheusmoreira 3y ago
  No need to hope, I generally try to put my money where my mouth is. I give away my software under copyleft licenses. My website has no advertising, no tracking, nothing. I have no intention of ever suing anyone for license violations either. I have a sponsors thing which I think is a perfectly ethical way to make money since it doesn't depend on artificial scarcitiy. It's currently sitting at zero dollars per month and I'm not complaining about it. I don't even advertise it because I think advertising is unethical. I try not to post my projects unless people ask me about them. Whatever wealth I have was not earned by means of intellectual property. If you find instances where I'm contradicting my beliefs, I give you free license to call me out on it in public. I will either try to justify myself or try to change immediately if I can't.
  - catapart 3y ago
    I didn't say anything about hypocrisy; I don't care how you comport yourself or whatever personal restraints or actions you use to justify how you eschew empathy for ideological purity. You think you're unique? Or particularly virtuous? All of my software and licenses (and contributions) are CC0. How is that relevant? It's not. What I hope for you is that when you are reliant on something, it is stripped from you without regard for how you need it, and hopefully using a particular kind of logic that you find repugnant. That would be an appropriate reversal of the ideology you are preaching. I hope that you lose something you NEED and that the people that could help you simply won't. Not out of inability but out of ideology. I hope that it happens to you not because it would be distressing to you, but because I am confident that such experiences can make one understand how ideological purity (in any specific aspect, logic included) is not a particularly useful measure of the validity or utility of an ideology as it pertains to applicable function. And if it doesn't, then your argument is only enriched by having experienced it. It's a win-win, if you're interested in the type of rigidly structured nonsense you're expressing.
    - matheusmoreira 3y ago
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      - catapart 3y ago
        Thank you, that is good to hear. I hope it continues to happen to you in more dire circumstances such that your education continues to enrich. I hope that you are so marginalized by ideology that you can no longer be, just like you advocate for those reliant on the values of IP. I hope that your education continues until you can be an example of the perfect version of what it means to have those engaging in ideological purity decide that you are an 'unfortunate consequence' of rearranging society in their image. I'll take your silence as a realization of said pinnacle, and any future responses as indicative of your need for further education. And, in those cases, please understand that I am continually hoping for your success in that. Bonne soirée!
        3y ago