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Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you Shopify. I'm sorry but if it's software related, I don't get going into the office at all. My entire experience before w

by oglop 3y ago

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you Shopify. I'm sorry but if it's software related, I don't get going into the office at all. My entire experience before was one of mostly depression at work because I'd get maybe a couple hours a day to code. What the other hours had in store or what the point was, who knows. But, it was mostly for people to talk and network and "feel like they were working" form my cynical perspective. I just don't believe people that say you _have_ to be in office to solve complex problems or some such nonsense. There are too many examples that show this is laughably false. If someone wants to go in, I don't mind. But don't conflate your discomfort of being alone with your mind with "better productivity" because a work environment provides you with distractions.

HDThoreaun 3y ago
> I just don't believe people that say you _have_ to be in office to solve complex problems I don't think anyone is saying that. They're saying that collaboration on those problems is more effective/easier when everyone is in the office together, not that it doesn't happen when remote. It's hard for me to see how this could be wrong. The most obvious example is that when in person I have lunch with colleagues where we talk about work things that we absolutely do not talk about when everyone is remote. There's much less siloization. It's not impossible to fix that in a remote environment, but most companies don't know how to, and instead of replacing leadership with a remote first team it's easier to go back to in person.
- Spivak 3y ago
  > I don't think anyone is saying that. They're saying that collaboration on those problems is more effective/easier when everyone is in the office together. I genuinely don't ever see this dynamic at least for technical problems. The back-and-forth in Slack of people that can now take time to compose an informed response is second to none. Being able to instantly demo your ideas and pass the screen share around is better than any whiteboarding. I don't get the culture. I'm far less creative if you make me try and make decisions based on whatever knowledge I happen to have in my brain-cache at the moment.

by oglop 3y ago

HDThoreaun 3y ago

> I just don't believe people that say you _have_ to be in office to solve complex problems I don't think anyone is saying that. They're saying that collaboration on those problems is more effective/easier when everyone is in the office together, not that it doesn't happen when remote. It's hard for me to see how this could be wrong. The most obvious example is that when in person I have lunch with colleagues where we talk about work things that we absolutely do not talk about when everyone is remote. There's much less siloization. It's not impossible to fix that in a remote environment, but most companies don't know how to, and instead of replacing leadership with a remote first team it's easier to go back to in person.

Spivak 3y ago
> I don't think anyone is saying that. They're saying that collaboration on those problems is more effective/easier when everyone is in the office together. I genuinely don't ever see this dynamic at least for technical problems. The back-and-forth in Slack of people that can now take time to compose an informed response is second to none. Being able to instantly demo your ideas and pass the screen share around is better than any whiteboarding. I don't get the culture. I'm far less creative if you make me try and make decisions based on whatever knowledge I happen to have in my brain-cache at the moment.