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> > It would be much cooler for al of us to be writers, musicians, painters, astronauts and F1 drivers. It's not about that, work should yield some result and

> > It would be much cooler for al of us to be writers, musicians, painters, astronauts and F1 drivers. It's not about that, work should yield some result and it should do so within a timeframe that doesn't make you lose yourself and your mind in a multi decade process, and also while team work is amazing beyond a certain treshold the less people necessary to yield the result the better. Modern day jobs are all about ass kissing on a massive scale and massive projects that require 5-10 years to yield what was laid out in the first meeting, and by the time you get there you fail to extract any satisfaction from it because you are a completely different person and so much water has passed under the bridge that it feels very anticlimatic. Cutting wood or hunting with 2 or 3 guys trumps 99% of desk jobs and I also suspect driving an F1 car considering that you see those guys now but they started practicing for that when they were 8 year old. The pinnacle of work was when we discovered fire for the first time, or discovering that pointy stones would hurt wild animals when thrown at them. Whatever you do you'll never reach the same level of work satisfaction as our ancestors when they first discovered the fundamental physical realities of our world.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
>Cutting wood or hunting with 2 or 3 guys trumps 99% of desk jobs As a hobby or as job? Because 99% of desk workers wouldn't survive if their livelihood would depend on chopping wood and hunting to survive, keep warm and feed themselves. That's why the office work life is so luxurious and desired despite the lack of fulfillment. You're safe and comfy and use money to pay people to do the uncomfortable and dangerous jobs and you have the free time to chop wood and hunt as a hobby not as if your life would depend on it. There's companies in my area offering wilderness survival retreats for office corporate workers where you get "kidnapped" in a black van, have your smartphone taken, and dropped in the middle of a unknow forest with some basic tools and supplies and have to survive the weekend. Most come out destroyed and appreciating their depressing office jobs.
- JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
  > > You're safe and comfy and use money That's the problem, any self respecting man needs some danger in the form of physical harm or the potential of physical harm from the Natural envioronment around. That's so that the brain can produce those delicious juices once you manage to evade or avoid such harm. If you stay so far away from the harm that you don't even feel it or see it (as a matter of fact you don't even know that it exists), then you don't get the brain juices, hence the crisis of depression, loss of meaning etc. > > not as if your life would depend on it The brain isn't stupid, when you put it in a controlled environment AKA a petting zoo it won't release the brain juices and you are back to square one. > > Most come out destroyed and appreciating their depressing office jobs. Maybe because there is a disconnect or a significant time delay between when they sign the contract and when they experience the actual pretend kidnapping. Anyway it's not something that would last because the 2nd or 3rd time around the brain realizes pretty quickly that it's in a petting zoo. Anyway the fact that they are seeking such experiences means that they are at least aware of the office domestication problem and the WFH domestication problem is even more serious!!

FirmwareBurner 3y ago

>Cutting wood or hunting with 2 or 3 guys trumps 99% of desk jobs As a hobby or as job? Because 99% of desk workers wouldn't survive if their livelihood would depend on chopping wood and hunting to survive, keep warm and feed themselves. That's why the office work life is so luxurious and desired despite the lack of fulfillment. You're safe and comfy and use money to pay people to do the uncomfortable and dangerous jobs and you have the free time to chop wood and hunt as a hobby not as if your life would depend on it. There's companies in my area offering wilderness survival retreats for office corporate workers where you get "kidnapped" in a black van, have your smartphone taken, and dropped in the middle of a unknow forest with some basic tools and supplies and have to survive the weekend. Most come out destroyed and appreciating their depressing office jobs.

JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
> > You're safe and comfy and use money That's the problem, any self respecting man needs some danger in the form of physical harm or the potential of physical harm from the Natural envioronment around. That's so that the brain can produce those delicious juices once you manage to evade or avoid such harm. If you stay so far away from the harm that you don't even feel it or see it (as a matter of fact you don't even know that it exists), then you don't get the brain juices, hence the crisis of depression, loss of meaning etc. > > not as if your life would depend on it The brain isn't stupid, when you put it in a controlled environment AKA a petting zoo it won't release the brain juices and you are back to square one. > > Most come out destroyed and appreciating their depressing office jobs. Maybe because there is a disconnect or a significant time delay between when they sign the contract and when they experience the actual pretend kidnapping. Anyway it's not something that would last because the 2nd or 3rd time around the brain realizes pretty quickly that it's in a petting zoo. Anyway the fact that they are seeking such experiences means that they are at least aware of the office domestication problem and the WFH domestication problem is even more serious!!