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Please don’t skip the other thing that we all know to be true. There is a lot of work from home abuse. Of course, work from home advocates would never do that

Please don’t skip the other thing that we all know to be true. There is a lot of work from home abuse. Of course, work from home advocates would never do that! Everyone knows the quiet part. Just have a few people talk about it, tells me that it isn’t insignificant.

VBprogrammer 3y ago
There is a lot of in the office abuse too. Time shooting the shit with colleagues, popping out for a coffee or just goofing off in front of a desk. Probably half the comments on this very website were probably written by someone who was being paid to work. Now when I'm working from home and not feeling productive I have options. Go for a lie down if I'm tired. Get ready and go for a run if I'm frustrated. Go downstairs and have a cuddle with my 1 year old etc.
- SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
  Ok, agreed. Now, if you're telling me there is in office abuse, why would I assume it's not worse when no one is looking? It's not even an assumption. We KNOW people are working two jobs, or they take off when they feel like it, there are plenty of annecdotes of people saying "I only work 20 hours a week now, and get the same amount done". Look, I don't care. My employees are remote or have the option, but we have daily standups and its a small team. It works as a small team and falls apart at scale. The fact that WFH advocates get emotional, nonsensical, and flat out refuse to discuss or admit abuse is all I need to know that it is more rampant that people are admitting to.
  - surgical_fire 3y ago
    > The fact that WFH advocates get emotional, nonsensical Interestingly, the person you are responding to is very reasonable in their point. You, on the other hand, sound pretty emotional and nonsensical about "WFH abuse". If you can't measure productivity of your remote team, that is really a "you" problem.
dr-detroit 3y ago
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VBprogrammer 3y ago

There is a lot of in the office abuse too. Time shooting the shit with colleagues, popping out for a coffee or just goofing off in front of a desk. Probably half the comments on this very website were probably written by someone who was being paid to work. Now when I'm working from home and not feeling productive I have options. Go for a lie down if I'm tired. Get ready and go for a run if I'm frustrated. Go downstairs and have a cuddle with my 1 year old etc.

SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
Ok, agreed. Now, if you're telling me there is in office abuse, why would I assume it's not worse when no one is looking? It's not even an assumption. We KNOW people are working two jobs, or they take off when they feel like it, there are plenty of annecdotes of people saying "I only work 20 hours a week now, and get the same amount done". Look, I don't care. My employees are remote or have the option, but we have daily standups and its a small team. It works as a small team and falls apart at scale. The fact that WFH advocates get emotional, nonsensical, and flat out refuse to discuss or admit abuse is all I need to know that it is more rampant that people are admitting to.
- surgical_fire 3y ago
  > The fact that WFH advocates get emotional, nonsensical Interestingly, the person you are responding to is very reasonable in their point. You, on the other hand, sound pretty emotional and nonsensical about "WFH abuse". If you can't measure productivity of your remote team, that is really a "you" problem.

dr-detroit 3y ago

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