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It's always frustrating when you live in a capitalist economy but rich people don't care about saving money. I disagree with the sentiment that RTO is about sav

by _8j50 3y ago

It's always frustrating when you live in a capitalist economy but rich people don't care about saving money. I disagree with the sentiment that RTO is about saving money. For most companies saving on real estate cost would make a big difference on their bottomline. But what really frustrates me is they could save at least 10-15% on salary (biggest cost for most companies) for those who want to WFH. Part of it is manager ego but a bigger part in my opinion is like most things in the corporate world, consultants are driving RTO because they always have a conflict if interest (the real estate companies they also consult with) and by nature they're extroverts. I've worked with people in the past where even though it is their job, they will not lift a finger to help you unless they socialize with you in person and know they can play political quid-pro-quo. These people cannot function remotely and many of them are typically managers. But see, I would have expected consultants to use the opportunity to train management on how to manage a remote workforce efficiently. A lot of money to be saved/made all around with WFH but greed has gotten so bad they want the whole cake and be able to show it off. More cake isn't good enough.

JambalayaJim 3y ago
>I've worked with people in the past where even though it is their job, they will not lift a finger to help you unless they socialize with you in person and know they can play political quid-pro-quo. This is basic human psychology you're talking about, not "political quid-pro-quo" motivation.
- _8j50 3y ago
  Can you explain to me what you mean? To me, you do your job because that's why you get paid. And for non-managerial roles you work with others not because you want to but because you need to in order to reach assigned objectives. If you request someone to QA your code as a dev for example, the question of the QA guy knowing you in person, liking you and then knowing he can extort favors later on should never be even a consideration. What I was saying was for some people it is a significant consideration and they can't do any of that remotely. They are people persons and extroverts, their mindset does not allow them to do work without considering the social cost benefit analysis to be done in person. These are the people that demand you turn on cameras during a zoom call. I mean, it is what it is, not even a problem so long as managers can manage those people as well as everybody else. But it is exactly those people that end up being managers. It's like trying to explain antarctica to someone in the sahara. You do your job and do it well with no upside other than your paycheck - a lot of people do that and they can be very productive remotely because their objective of getting paid is being met. But when their performance review suffers from their nose not being brown enough they will fall in line and focus on that and inefficiently try to brown nose remotely and then hybrid and still fail and then execs think the reason for lower productivity is WFH not their managerial incompetence for both types of people when they WFH. There are plenty of succesful remote-first companies. If you suffer from productivity loss it is because your managers and hr are failing at their jobs. Not your employees.

by _8j50 3y ago

JambalayaJim 3y ago

>I've worked with people in the past where even though it is their job, they will not lift a finger to help you unless they socialize with you in person and know they can play political quid-pro-quo. This is basic human psychology you're talking about, not "political quid-pro-quo" motivation.

_8j50 3y ago
Can you explain to me what you mean? To me, you do your job because that's why you get paid. And for non-managerial roles you work with others not because you want to but because you need to in order to reach assigned objectives. If you request someone to QA your code as a dev for example, the question of the QA guy knowing you in person, liking you and then knowing he can extort favors later on should never be even a consideration. What I was saying was for some people it is a significant consideration and they can't do any of that remotely. They are people persons and extroverts, their mindset does not allow them to do work without considering the social cost benefit analysis to be done in person. These are the people that demand you turn on cameras during a zoom call. I mean, it is what it is, not even a problem so long as managers can manage those people as well as everybody else. But it is exactly those people that end up being managers. It's like trying to explain antarctica to someone in the sahara. You do your job and do it well with no upside other than your paycheck - a lot of people do that and they can be very productive remotely because their objective of getting paid is being met. But when their performance review suffers from their nose not being brown enough they will fall in line and focus on that and inefficiently try to brown nose remotely and then hybrid and still fail and then execs think the reason for lower productivity is WFH not their managerial incompetence for both types of people when they WFH. There are plenty of succesful remote-first companies. If you suffer from productivity loss it is because your managers and hr are failing at their jobs. Not your employees.