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> Research and the documentary record show that the protests of 2020 were overwhelmingly peaceful [...] The characterization of these events as “riots” followed

> Research and the documentary record show that the protests of 2020 were overwhelmingly peaceful [...] The characterization of these events as “riots” followed as part of a deliberate disinformation campaign by right-wing groups, media’s distorting focus on isolated incidents, and biased framing by political campaigns. Wait what? According to Wikipedia the damages from the allegedly-not-riots is 1-2 billion. Surely then the most damaging protest (that the record shows is totally not riots) in history. If you burn over 1,000 buildings in one city, and then 99 other cities have mostly-peaceful protests, it seems weird to launder one with the other. If that's the criteria then the only thing needed to claim something is not a riot is more smaller protests. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests

hollerith 3y ago
And a murder of a counter-protester by an Antifa supporter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killings_of_Aaron_Danielson_and_Michael_Reinoehl https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killings_of_Aaron_Danielson_an...
redhale 3y ago
Yeah, this is a pot/kettle situation as far as deliberate disinformation. From Wikipedia: > research ... estimated that by the end of June, 96.3% of 7,305 demonstrations involved no injuries and no property damage. However, arson, vandalism, and looting ... caused approximately $1–2 billion in insured damages nationally, the highest recorded damage from civil disorder in U.S. history So 97% of the demonstrations were peaceful -- "overwhelmingly peaceful" is _technically_ accurate, but obviously extremely misleading. Those referring to these events as "riots", assuming good faith (which to be fair cannot always be assumed), are referring specifically to the NON-peaceful portion that -- while a small fraction of the total -- combined to cause the largest recorded damage from civil disorder in US history at $1-2 billion. I'm not saying DHH's drawn conclusions are correct, but this is not the right angle of argument against his position.

hollerith 3y ago

And a murder of a counter-protester by an Antifa supporter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killings_of_Aaron_Danielson_and_Michael_Reinoehl https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killings_of_Aaron_Danielson_an...

redhale 3y ago

Yeah, this is a pot/kettle situation as far as deliberate disinformation. From Wikipedia: > research ... estimated that by the end of June, 96.3% of 7,305 demonstrations involved no injuries and no property damage. However, arson, vandalism, and looting ... caused approximately $1–2 billion in insured damages nationally, the highest recorded damage from civil disorder in U.S. history So 97% of the demonstrations were peaceful -- "overwhelmingly peaceful" is _technically_ accurate, but obviously extremely misleading. Those referring to these events as "riots", assuming good faith (which to be fair cannot always be assumed), are referring specifically to the NON-peaceful portion that -- while a small fraction of the total -- combined to cause the largest recorded damage from civil disorder in US history at $1-2 billion. I'm not saying DHH's drawn conclusions are correct, but this is not the right angle of argument against his position.