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What should WIP software look like? There was a time when the 1998 beta for macOS, called Rhapsody, looked horrible and disjoint. There was also a time when th

What should WIP software look like? There was a time when the 1998 beta for macOS, called Rhapsody, looked horrible and disjoint. There was also a time when the iPhone looked like this - https://i.imgur.com/wwH2UoF.jpg https://i.imgur.com/wwH2UoF.jpg

steve1977 3y ago
Rhapsody looked pretty decent IMHO… http://toastytech.com/guis/rhap.html http://toastytech.com/guis/rhap.html
- creatonez 3y ago
  Yes, but it only devolved from Mac OS 9 by adding a bunch of unpolished NeXT GUIs, and the development necessitated the temporary removal of features and apps that were already polished.
  - steve1977 3y ago
    I‘ve never really worked with Rhapsody, so I couldn’t tell. I came to Mac OS X from NeXTSTEP and FreeBSD, the first version I actually used as a daily driver (with the odd boot to Mac OS 9 for some stuff) was the public beta in 2000 (which was Aqua already of course).
    - KerrAvon 3y ago
      Rhapsody was an unholy mix of NeXTstep implementation with a bastardized version of Apple's Platinum theme, which wasn't designed to support NeXT's UI and display technologies. Steve hated it and continued to use OpenStep on a ThinkPad.
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Affric 3y ago
Therein lies the raison d'etre of Apple and Mac. I thought Rhapsody looked good. 95% of it is the fonts. Apple always does well with the fonts.
rollcat 3y ago
You don't advertise WIP software as "built with finesse"; and even if you do, you must at the very least put said finesse into the choice of screenshots you present.
oneplane 3y ago
That looks like it's SwitchBoard, not iOS. Users do not have access to the internal Apple test software. As for Rhapsody, that looked decent, it had a similar vibe to A/UX where it looks like Mac OS Classic but runs Unix. Perhaps you are referring to Kodiak or Cheetah, but those were pretty GUI-consistent at that time. Granted, up to Panther it was just Aqua and getting it to work consistently and performant, but I don't think it was ever in the state that this RavynOS is. That's mostly because NeXTStep as a foundation already had an existing GUI that was consistent. RavynOS is having a bad presentation because it looks like some sort of odd partially-done theme based on CDE/Motif.
clnq 3y ago
> There was also a time when the iPhone looked like this - https://i.imgur.com/wwH2UoF.jpg https://i.imgur.com/wwH2UoF.jpg Yes, but you are straw-manning the argument. This is skankphone UI - a UI used by the technical team building back-end services and features for the original iPhone. The actual UI was being built in parallel, and obviously it never looked like that.

steve1977 3y ago

Rhapsody looked pretty decent IMHO… http://toastytech.com/guis/rhap.html http://toastytech.com/guis/rhap.html

creatonez 3y ago
Yes, but it only devolved from Mac OS 9 by adding a bunch of unpolished NeXT GUIs, and the development necessitated the temporary removal of features and apps that were already polished.
- steve1977 3y ago
  I‘ve never really worked with Rhapsody, so I couldn’t tell. I came to Mac OS X from NeXTSTEP and FreeBSD, the first version I actually used as a daily driver (with the odd boot to Mac OS 9 for some stuff) was the public beta in 2000 (which was Aqua already of course).
  - KerrAvon 3y ago
    Rhapsody was an unholy mix of NeXTstep implementation with a bastardized version of Apple's Platinum theme, which wasn't designed to support NeXT's UI and display technologies. Steve hated it and continued to use OpenStep on a ThinkPad.
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Affric 3y ago

Therein lies the raison d'etre of Apple and Mac. I thought Rhapsody looked good. 95% of it is the fonts. Apple always does well with the fonts.

rollcat 3y ago

You don't advertise WIP software as "built with finesse"; and even if you do, you must at the very least put said finesse into the choice of screenshots you present.

oneplane 3y ago

That looks like it's SwitchBoard, not iOS. Users do not have access to the internal Apple test software. As for Rhapsody, that looked decent, it had a similar vibe to A/UX where it looks like Mac OS Classic but runs Unix. Perhaps you are referring to Kodiak or Cheetah, but those were pretty GUI-consistent at that time. Granted, up to Panther it was just Aqua and getting it to work consistently and performant, but I don't think it was ever in the state that this RavynOS is. That's mostly because NeXTStep as a foundation already had an existing GUI that was consistent. RavynOS is having a bad presentation because it looks like some sort of odd partially-done theme based on CDE/Motif.

clnq 3y ago

> There was also a time when the iPhone looked like this - https://i.imgur.com/wwH2UoF.jpg https://i.imgur.com/wwH2UoF.jpg Yes, but you are straw-manning the argument. This is skankphone UI - a UI used by the technical team building back-end services and features for the original iPhone. The actual UI was being built in parallel, and obviously it never looked like that.