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As W3Schools still likes to call it: the new, modern clearfix hack [1] .clearfix::after { content: ""; clear: both; display: table; }

As W3Schools still likes to call it: the new, modern clearfix hack [1] .clearfix::after { content: ""; clear: both; display: table; } [1] https://www.w3schools.com/howto/howto_css_clearfix.asp https://www.w3schools.com/howto/howto_css_clearfix.asp

reddalo 3y ago
W3Schools is a horrible resource. I'd like Google to hide all of their results.
- rchaud 3y ago
  A lot of people on HN seem to have this opinion. A lot of the content on that site has been re-written, and it's now a pretty fantastic resource for beginners. If you tell 2 beginners to build something with PHP/jQuery/JS, and send one person to W3Schools and the other to PHP.net/jquery.org/MDN, I have no doubt that the W3schools person will get something done in workable state faster.
  - mpixel 3y ago
    And if you tell 2 experts to build something with W3Schools as the resource against better documentation, I'm sure the results will be the opposite. That's not the point though, I'm not going to say different strokes for different folks. Instead I'd say, if that beginner uses the 'slower' path instead, that will pay dividends in time -- they are better of learning to use the docs than getting paid peanuts for delivering that project which depends on the juniors faster.
    - subtra3t 3y ago
      I disagree with you. "Learning" to use a particular documentation website (which, mindyou, changes its layout frequently) is not very time consuming. So a beginner should use w3schools while they see fit, and then move on to MDN, etc. when they find it to be unsuitable for their purposes.
      - rchaud 3y ago
        That's exactly what the progression was for me. W3S laid the foundations, and then I went on to MDN and other sources once I felt more comfortable.
    - rchaud 3y ago
      An expert wouldn't go to W3schools to begin with. They would have far more specific problems that would be better explored on Stack Overflow. A beginner on the other hand would have their SO questions locked/closed within minutes because it would likely break any one of the thousand little rules SO has (to reduce duplicates) that are unknown to beginners. Horses for courses; I read the official MDN and PHP docs now, but I didn't when I began because those sites assume an enormous amount of prior knowledge about programming.
      - account-5 3y ago
        This exactly. I still look to w3school over mdn if I can. The information is just friendlier. I'll use "proper" documentation if needed and never post anything to SO for the reasons you state.
  - woodrowbarlow 3y ago
    i'm mostly upset that they use "w3" in their name to masquerade as an "official" source of documentation. i know their about page clears this up, but it's pretty buried.
    - rchaud 3y ago
      Well perhaps W3C's official site would rank higher if it actually offered any tutorials, i.e. the thing people are searching for, as opposed to a list of specifications and draft specifications that won't be finalized for 10 years. In any case, "W3" is just another representation of 'www', which the W3C doesn't have any kind of claim over. OpenAI isn't open. W3Schools is unaffiliated with the W3C. The world keeps spinning.
      - explaininjs 3y ago
        > won't be finalized for 10 years That's optimistic, optimistically. It's a group of ivory tower academics with no stake in any browser implementation acting like they have any right to tell actual browser implementors how to behave.
        reddalo 3y ago
        > acting like they have any right to tell actual browser implementors how to behave Well, I totally prefer that, than letting Google decide by themselves
        explaininjs 3y ago
        Have you ever had academics that have nothing to do with you, your company, or your product, tell you how to do your job? And besides, what makes you think Google listens to them?
    - SkeuomorphicBee 3y ago
      I disagree, "w3" doesn't have any official connotation, it is literally the name of the thing they are teaching (or the alternate spelling of the abbreviation, but same thing). It is a common pattern for a school that teaches [thing] to call themselves "[thing] school", nothing wrong there.
  - creatonez 3y ago
    I haven't noticed a difference since I first heard of the site. They may have corrected factual inaccuracies, but the overall organization and prioritization of information is not for me.
  - anarazel 3y ago
    My main issue with them is not their content proper, but that their SEO ranks them above much more topical results. That's clearly also Google's fault, but it's also clearly w3school's strategy.
  - jorgesborges 3y ago
    What would be the point of that exercise though? It's true they might produce something faster, but if those sources are meant to be an educational resource then they'll learn more reading through actual documentation than copy-pasting questionable code to get something done.
    - Tijdreiziger 3y ago
      You need a ‘tutorial’-style guide to bootstrap your knowledge. After that, you’re ready to use a technical reference. Some programming languages ship a good tutorial as part of their documentation (e.g. Python), but not all.
- rand_flip_bit 3y ago
  Amongst many other sites, I have w3schools blocked in my Kagi search results, along with MDN being raised/prioritized. From the looks of it, it seems like blocking w3schools is quite popular among Kagi users [1]. [1]: https://kagi.com/stats https://kagi.com/stats
  - chinkinthearmor 3y ago
    Could I ask real quick why you dislike W3Schools? I def learned SQL syntax and basic HTML/CSS (I needed to use CSS selectors but had basically no knowledge) through them and actually thought to myself they did a great job at keeping things need-to-know for immediate use. I have a feeling I know your answer - as a financial professional I initially used Investopedia in a pinch but over the years realized their accuracy has an inverse relation with the specificity of the topic. After seeing incorrect formulas and descriptions a handful of times, I eventually stopped using it completely.
  - reddalo 3y ago
    Kagi, what an unfortunate name. It means "you take a shit" in Italian :(
- paradox460 3y ago
  Kagi let's you hide it.
ransom1538 3y ago
 That works?

reddalo 3y ago

W3Schools is a horrible resource. I'd like Google to hide all of their results.

rchaud 3y ago
A lot of people on HN seem to have this opinion. A lot of the content on that site has been re-written, and it's now a pretty fantastic resource for beginners. If you tell 2 beginners to build something with PHP/jQuery/JS, and send one person to W3Schools and the other to PHP.net/jquery.org/MDN, I have no doubt that the W3schools person will get something done in workable state faster.
- mpixel 3y ago
  And if you tell 2 experts to build something with W3Schools as the resource against better documentation, I'm sure the results will be the opposite. That's not the point though, I'm not going to say different strokes for different folks. Instead I'd say, if that beginner uses the 'slower' path instead, that will pay dividends in time -- they are better of learning to use the docs than getting paid peanuts for delivering that project which depends on the juniors faster.
  - subtra3t 3y ago
    I disagree with you. "Learning" to use a particular documentation website (which, mindyou, changes its layout frequently) is not very time consuming. So a beginner should use w3schools while they see fit, and then move on to MDN, etc. when they find it to be unsuitable for their purposes.
    - rchaud 3y ago
      That's exactly what the progression was for me. W3S laid the foundations, and then I went on to MDN and other sources once I felt more comfortable.
  - rchaud 3y ago
    An expert wouldn't go to W3schools to begin with. They would have far more specific problems that would be better explored on Stack Overflow. A beginner on the other hand would have their SO questions locked/closed within minutes because it would likely break any one of the thousand little rules SO has (to reduce duplicates) that are unknown to beginners. Horses for courses; I read the official MDN and PHP docs now, but I didn't when I began because those sites assume an enormous amount of prior knowledge about programming.
    - account-5 3y ago
      This exactly. I still look to w3school over mdn if I can. The information is just friendlier. I'll use "proper" documentation if needed and never post anything to SO for the reasons you state.
- woodrowbarlow 3y ago
  i'm mostly upset that they use "w3" in their name to masquerade as an "official" source of documentation. i know their about page clears this up, but it's pretty buried.
  - rchaud 3y ago
    Well perhaps W3C's official site would rank higher if it actually offered any tutorials, i.e. the thing people are searching for, as opposed to a list of specifications and draft specifications that won't be finalized for 10 years. In any case, "W3" is just another representation of 'www', which the W3C doesn't have any kind of claim over. OpenAI isn't open. W3Schools is unaffiliated with the W3C. The world keeps spinning.
    - explaininjs 3y ago
      > won't be finalized for 10 years That's optimistic, optimistically. It's a group of ivory tower academics with no stake in any browser implementation acting like they have any right to tell actual browser implementors how to behave.
      - reddalo 3y ago
        > acting like they have any right to tell actual browser implementors how to behave Well, I totally prefer that, than letting Google decide by themselves
        explaininjs 3y ago
        Have you ever had academics that have nothing to do with you, your company, or your product, tell you how to do your job? And besides, what makes you think Google listens to them?
  - SkeuomorphicBee 3y ago
    I disagree, "w3" doesn't have any official connotation, it is literally the name of the thing they are teaching (or the alternate spelling of the abbreviation, but same thing). It is a common pattern for a school that teaches [thing] to call themselves "[thing] school", nothing wrong there.
- creatonez 3y ago
  I haven't noticed a difference since I first heard of the site. They may have corrected factual inaccuracies, but the overall organization and prioritization of information is not for me.
- anarazel 3y ago
  My main issue with them is not their content proper, but that their SEO ranks them above much more topical results. That's clearly also Google's fault, but it's also clearly w3school's strategy.
- jorgesborges 3y ago
  What would be the point of that exercise though? It's true they might produce something faster, but if those sources are meant to be an educational resource then they'll learn more reading through actual documentation than copy-pasting questionable code to get something done.
  - Tijdreiziger 3y ago
    You need a ‘tutorial’-style guide to bootstrap your knowledge. After that, you’re ready to use a technical reference. Some programming languages ship a good tutorial as part of their documentation (e.g. Python), but not all.
rand_flip_bit 3y ago
Amongst many other sites, I have w3schools blocked in my Kagi search results, along with MDN being raised/prioritized. From the looks of it, it seems like blocking w3schools is quite popular among Kagi users [1]. [1]: https://kagi.com/stats https://kagi.com/stats
- chinkinthearmor 3y ago
  Could I ask real quick why you dislike W3Schools? I def learned SQL syntax and basic HTML/CSS (I needed to use CSS selectors but had basically no knowledge) through them and actually thought to myself they did a great job at keeping things need-to-know for immediate use. I have a feeling I know your answer - as a financial professional I initially used Investopedia in a pinch but over the years realized their accuracy has an inverse relation with the specificity of the topic. After seeing incorrect formulas and descriptions a handful of times, I eventually stopped using it completely.
- reddalo 3y ago
  Kagi, what an unfortunate name. It means "you take a shit" in Italian :(
paradox460 3y ago
Kagi let's you hide it.

ransom1538 3y ago

 That works?  