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It's an ICE car though, if Ford manage to achieve this despite this massive disadvantage it can't be that hard.

by qwytw 3y ago

grecy 3y ago
12.1 is not fast at all, and as others have said, is a very, very long way from <11s or 11 flat like the 911
- qwytw 3y ago
  To be fair the the 911 can do 9.9 Seconds. Tesla just chose a slower model/config due to obvious reasons (of course 911 Turbo S is more than 2x as expensive as the top-end Cybertruck).
  - grecy 3y ago
    Right, so achieving a sub 11s quarter mile time IS actually hard & expensive.
    - qwytw 3y ago
      Somewhat I guess, if you want to keep the weight low, have decent handling et. (not priorities for the cybertruck). You can a Nissan GT-R for half the price which can do sub 11 seconds. A GT-R tuned for drag racing will be faster on a 1/4 than an F1 car. Or you can get a bike for less than $20k which can do a 1/4 mile in 9.78 seconds. So just achieving that is not necessarily that hard.
      - grecy 3y ago
        > You can a Nissan GT-R for half the price which can do sub 11 seconds Stock GT-R is 11.3. Slower than Cybertruck. https://fastestlaps.com/models/nissan-gt-r https://fastestlaps.com/models/nissan-gt-r > Or you can get a bike for less than $20k which can do a 1/4 mile in 9.78 seconds Comparing a vehicle (especially a pickup truck) to a bike shows you how absurdly fast that vehicle is. You just keep coming up with examples that show it's very hard to make a production vehicle that does a sub 11 in the 1/4.
        qwytw 3y ago
        > Stock GT-R is 11.3. Slower than Cybertruck. That's a 2008 model. The current (2017+) one with > You just keep coming up with examples that show it's very hard to make a production vehicle that does a sub 11 in the 1/4. You're assuming that maximizing acceleration in a straight is the main priority for most sportscar manufacturers and they are willing to throw everything else to maximize it. > Comparing a vehicle (especially a pickup truck) to a bike shows you how absurdly fast that vehicle is. Well a Moto GP bike will easily beat an F1 car in 1/4 mile drag race yet would have zero chances on an actual race track. I'd bet the Cybertruck would do relatively considerably worse even against the base config 911. So it really depends on how you define "absurdly fast".
        grecy 3y ago
        > So it really depends on how you define "absurdly fast". And very clearly we've been talking about 1/4 mile time for this entire discussion. Tesla showed a Cybertruck beating a 911 in the 1/4 while pulling a 911. They didn't show it going around a track, they didn't show it outbraking a 911, they didn't show it on a hillclimb. They very, very clearly defined exactly the context for "absurdly fast", and demonstrated it quite well.
        qwytw 3y ago
        > Tesla showed a Cybertruck beating a 911 in the 1/4 while pulling a 911. Yes, the slowest 911 you can buy. > And very clearly we've been talking about 1/4 mile time for this entire discussion. I'm not even sure what are we arguing about at this point. My entire point is that this is a clearly an apples to oranges comparison.

It's an ICE car though, if Ford manage to achieve this despite this massive disadvantage it can't be that hard.

by qwytw 3y ago

It's an ICE car though, if Ford manage to achieve this despite this massive disadvantage it can't be that hard.

grecy 3y ago

12.1 is not fast at all, and as others have said, is a very, very long way from <11s or 11 flat like the 911

qwytw 3y ago
To be fair the the 911 can do 9.9 Seconds. Tesla just chose a slower model/config due to obvious reasons (of course 911 Turbo S is more than 2x as expensive as the top-end Cybertruck).
- grecy 3y ago
  Right, so achieving a sub 11s quarter mile time IS actually hard & expensive.
  - qwytw 3y ago
    Somewhat I guess, if you want to keep the weight low, have decent handling et. (not priorities for the cybertruck). You can a Nissan GT-R for half the price which can do sub 11 seconds. A GT-R tuned for drag racing will be faster on a 1/4 than an F1 car. Or you can get a bike for less than $20k which can do a 1/4 mile in 9.78 seconds. So just achieving that is not necessarily that hard.
    - grecy 3y ago
      > You can a Nissan GT-R for half the price which can do sub 11 seconds Stock GT-R is 11.3. Slower than Cybertruck. https://fastestlaps.com/models/nissan-gt-r https://fastestlaps.com/models/nissan-gt-r > Or you can get a bike for less than $20k which can do a 1/4 mile in 9.78 seconds Comparing a vehicle (especially a pickup truck) to a bike shows you how absurdly fast that vehicle is. You just keep coming up with examples that show it's very hard to make a production vehicle that does a sub 11 in the 1/4.
      - qwytw 3y ago
        > Stock GT-R is 11.3. Slower than Cybertruck. That's a 2008 model. The current (2017+) one with > You just keep coming up with examples that show it's very hard to make a production vehicle that does a sub 11 in the 1/4. You're assuming that maximizing acceleration in a straight is the main priority for most sportscar manufacturers and they are willing to throw everything else to maximize it. > Comparing a vehicle (especially a pickup truck) to a bike shows you how absurdly fast that vehicle is. Well a Moto GP bike will easily beat an F1 car in 1/4 mile drag race yet would have zero chances on an actual race track. I'd bet the Cybertruck would do relatively considerably worse even against the base config 911. So it really depends on how you define "absurdly fast".
        grecy 3y ago
        > So it really depends on how you define "absurdly fast". And very clearly we've been talking about 1/4 mile time for this entire discussion. Tesla showed a Cybertruck beating a 911 in the 1/4 while pulling a 911. They didn't show it going around a track, they didn't show it outbraking a 911, they didn't show it on a hillclimb. They very, very clearly defined exactly the context for "absurdly fast", and demonstrated it quite well.
        qwytw 3y ago
        > Tesla showed a Cybertruck beating a 911 in the 1/4 while pulling a 911. Yes, the slowest 911 you can buy. > And very clearly we've been talking about 1/4 mile time for this entire discussion. I'm not even sure what are we arguing about at this point. My entire point is that this is a clearly an apples to oranges comparison.