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It's a tough day 1, I hope it doesn't scare off too many people. Normally day 1 is just some variation of "add numbers in a list", but this year has a mean pt 2

It's a tough day 1, I hope it doesn't scare off too many people. Normally day 1 is just some variation of "add numbers in a list", but this year has a mean pt 2 and a few traps for people to fall into. I wonder how long the global leaderboard will stay up before it gets hidden due to people solving with ChatGPT?

kristaps 3y ago
This year they politely ask people not to use LLM solutions until the days leaderboard is full.
- boppo1 3y ago
  But is there any way to know the difference?
  - gangstead 3y ago
    Not really when all they check is the solution output. They just ask politely knowing cheaters gonna cheat.
ofrzeta 3y ago
Yeah, usually I get to around day 10 without bigger problems. This year I am already frustrated with day 1 part 2 :-)
Udo 3y ago
I'd actually welcome it if the leaderboard was abolished. I never really played for placement, but something about the fact that the board was full of people who routinely solve every problem in about the same time it takes me to even READ the description was a bit demotivating. I always felt this racing aspect to be somewhat at odds with the idea that this is a challenge that you can complete in your own time, maybe even on weekends, and at the end be proud that you even made it.
- urda 3y ago
  I tend to agree with this. The leaderboard for many programmers is a source of stress and is another type of internet "comparison" like seeing someone who appears "better" than you on social media. Advent of Code, to me, is a celebration of all the hard work of the year by getting a chance to show off any new skills or abilities you might have picked up. Advent of Code should be about the solve and the sharing of a good problem together, not how fast can you cook a plate of spaghetti.
- pprotas 3y ago
  I get that some people don’t want to participate in the competition, but how is that a reason to take the feature away from others who enjoy the competition?
  - Udo 3y ago
    In the context of the larger discussion about how to save the leaderboard in the face of rampant and cheap cheating options, my point was simply that maybe it didn't need to be saved in the first place. Heck, I can't imagine it's actually possible to save it while keeping the event running as it has been. Obviously, there are many people who do enjoy the competition, especially if you're someone who is in the top 10 consistently. But to emphasize it again: arguably, the leaderboard is not as real as you think it is. It's not me who's advocating for taking your achievements from you, it's the state of technological progress that has already done that.
- recursive 3y ago
  Some people care about the leaderboard, but that's not mandatory. I don't see how the fact of its existence diminishes the experience of someone who never looks at it.
- treesknees 3y ago
  To add to this, AoC release its puzzles at midnight ET, so the west coast folks who are still up at 9pm PT will almost always complete the puzzles before someone on the east coast who actually sleeps a regular schedule.
masklinn 3y ago
According to several reports, chatgpt can't be made to solve day 1. It's strongly hypothesised that Eric increased the difficulty of the problem specifically to thwart them. Last year they fucked the global leaderboard early, then completely dropped off during week 2, so I can't say I don't welcome it. I didn't find part 2 an issue, but I completely grug-brained it and that was not sensible to the overlap issue.

kristaps 3y ago

This year they politely ask people not to use LLM solutions until the days leaderboard is full.

boppo1 3y ago
But is there any way to know the difference?
- gangstead 3y ago
  Not really when all they check is the solution output. They just ask politely knowing cheaters gonna cheat.

ofrzeta 3y ago

Yeah, usually I get to around day 10 without bigger problems. This year I am already frustrated with day 1 part 2 :-)

Udo 3y ago

I'd actually welcome it if the leaderboard was abolished. I never really played for placement, but something about the fact that the board was full of people who routinely solve every problem in about the same time it takes me to even READ the description was a bit demotivating. I always felt this racing aspect to be somewhat at odds with the idea that this is a challenge that you can complete in your own time, maybe even on weekends, and at the end be proud that you even made it.

urda 3y ago
I tend to agree with this. The leaderboard for many programmers is a source of stress and is another type of internet "comparison" like seeing someone who appears "better" than you on social media. Advent of Code, to me, is a celebration of all the hard work of the year by getting a chance to show off any new skills or abilities you might have picked up. Advent of Code should be about the solve and the sharing of a good problem together, not how fast can you cook a plate of spaghetti.
pprotas 3y ago
I get that some people don’t want to participate in the competition, but how is that a reason to take the feature away from others who enjoy the competition?
- Udo 3y ago
  In the context of the larger discussion about how to save the leaderboard in the face of rampant and cheap cheating options, my point was simply that maybe it didn't need to be saved in the first place. Heck, I can't imagine it's actually possible to save it while keeping the event running as it has been. Obviously, there are many people who do enjoy the competition, especially if you're someone who is in the top 10 consistently. But to emphasize it again: arguably, the leaderboard is not as real as you think it is. It's not me who's advocating for taking your achievements from you, it's the state of technological progress that has already done that.
recursive 3y ago
Some people care about the leaderboard, but that's not mandatory. I don't see how the fact of its existence diminishes the experience of someone who never looks at it.
treesknees 3y ago
To add to this, AoC release its puzzles at midnight ET, so the west coast folks who are still up at 9pm PT will almost always complete the puzzles before someone on the east coast who actually sleeps a regular schedule.

masklinn 3y ago

According to several reports, chatgpt can't be made to solve day 1. It's strongly hypothesised that Eric increased the difficulty of the problem specifically to thwart them. Last year they fucked the global leaderboard early, then completely dropped off during week 2, so I can't say I don't welcome it. I didn't find part 2 an issue, but I completely grug-brained it and that was not sensible to the overlap issue.