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Yeah, and there are absolutely no people with an agenda to make cars a necessity. I mean, who would that be? It would need to be a huge industry that makes its

by Skeime 3y ago

Yeah, and there are absolutely no people with an agenda to make cars a necessity. I mean, who would that be? It would need to be a huge industry that makes its profit from selling cars to people. I can’t think of any such industry. /s Sure, hyper-dense cities are not ideal, but neither are spread-out asphalt wastelands where cars are the only means of getting around. This is terrible for anyone who can’t drive (children, people with impaired vision, people who can’t afford cars). I have also lived in Houston (without a car) and I found getting around absolutely miserable. Even when I had friends pick me up with their cars, the distances were huge and a lot of the time, this would be because of parking lots creating gigantic empty space everywhere. (At least, this was my impression.)

cyberax 3y ago
> Sure, hyper-dense cities are not ideal, but neither are spread-out asphalt wastelands where cars are the only means of getting around. This is terrible for anyone who can’t drive This is the only rational argument against cars. I especially want children to have more autonomy. Yet it'll be far better solved by self-driving vehicles. They already exist, and they work.
- Skeime 3y ago
  The only rational argument? Cars are also dangerous for their surroundings and their passengers. In addition, individual cars are an environmental disaster, in terms of noise, air pollution, climate, and use of natural resources. Finally, I believe (admittedly without having a source at hand) that not using a car is beneficial to one’s health because modern humans move their body way too little — biking or walking, even just to the next bus stop, are much better (but of course, this last part is ultimately a private decision).
- emodendroket 3y ago
  None of the claims in the last paragraph are true. Self-driving vehicles still have serious limitations, especially in the city context we’re talking about, and children aren’t going to have their own cars.

by Skeime 3y ago

cyberax 3y ago

> Sure, hyper-dense cities are not ideal, but neither are spread-out asphalt wastelands where cars are the only means of getting around. This is terrible for anyone who can’t drive This is the only rational argument against cars. I especially want children to have more autonomy. Yet it'll be far better solved by self-driving vehicles. They already exist, and they work.

Skeime 3y ago
The only rational argument? Cars are also dangerous for their surroundings and their passengers. In addition, individual cars are an environmental disaster, in terms of noise, air pollution, climate, and use of natural resources. Finally, I believe (admittedly without having a source at hand) that not using a car is beneficial to one’s health because modern humans move their body way too little — biking or walking, even just to the next bus stop, are much better (but of course, this last part is ultimately a private decision).
emodendroket 3y ago
None of the claims in the last paragraph are true. Self-driving vehicles still have serious limitations, especially in the city context we’re talking about, and children aren’t going to have their own cars.