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yeah, russophobia... No one cared about russians until they started doing shit. Like personally, I don't hate russians because they're russians, I hate them fo
by CafeRacer 3y ago
yeah, russophobia... No one cared about russians until they started doing shit.
Like personally, I don't hate russians because they're russians, I hate them for what they've done & keep doing.
If russians would have put their money where their mouth is, lots of people would have immigrated there and not even listened to the rest of the world.
- mantas 3y agoIt's important to separate Duchy of Muscovy which is philosophical successor of Golden horde from Russians as in Kievan Rus and Ruthenian people who live(d) in western part of modern Russia.
- CafeRacer 3y agoWhy?
- mantas 3y agoTo make a separation between many tribes/states of Rus/Ruthenian/East slavic people and Muscovites. As in people who support war in Ukraine. Duchy of Moscow took over many other Rus states which were much closer to West/democracy/whatever you want to call them. While Muscovites themselves stuck to tactics they learned while being occupied by Golden horde. What happened in Bucha and elsewhere in Ukraine was the usual Muscovite tactics 500 years ago and it still is. Some things seem to never change.
- CafeRacer 3y agoYeah, well today's tribes/states also participates in what happened. So unless they condemn, stop doing what they're doing and separate it's all the same people. I get they may come from various backgrounds centuries ago, but today it makes no difference.
- mantas 3y agoIMO it still makes some difference. E.g. Belarus is practically just another Russian oblast nowadays. But the people ain't fully culturally incorporated yet. Over 200 years later if we start counting by Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth partitions. Another distinction that I want to make is that it's not Putin/Kremlin/Elite issue. The masses of the duchy of Moscow do support those policies.
- CafeRacer 3y agoOkay, so bottom line. I don't remember americans telling me that we deserve what's coming and I haven't seen them bullets shot in my apartment building. But there were very real ex-work-acquaintances of mine from russia told me that we deserve what's coming. There are a lot of people doing shit and calling themselves russians. What does west has to do w/ increased russophobia? It's somehow always someone else's fault.
- mantas 3y agoIDK. Personally I don’t like the term Russophobia. When I hear it, I think of a vatnik claiming it’s all irrational fear of the saint nth Rome. It is very rational to steer away from anything Russia-related. And prepare for the inevitable which comes sooner or later.
- rascul 3y agoDidn't the Duchy of Muscovy stop being relevant like 500 years ago?
- CafeRacer 3y agoExactly my question – why do we care what previous generations did hundreds of years ago to justify actions of today's generation?
- mantas 3y agoIn case of Duchy of Moscow - it keeps repeating same stuff over and over again. Duchy of Moscow, tsarist Russian empire, USSR, Russian federation... different label, but same behaviour.
- mantas 3y agoWhat do you mean stopped being relevant? It just renamed itself to Russia.