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The world is completely surveilled and you're surprised people want to leave? I can't get off this authoritarian nightmare rock soon enough.

bluescrn 3y ago
There’s not likely to be much freedom to be had in space or on Mars, in a situation where life support systems are fragile and need much more protection from careless/reckless individuals.
bravetraveler 3y ago
Whoever establishes another planet (or space) is likely to be rather authoritarian... Think "company town" but so, so much worse. The desolate environment, required infrastructure, and costs make me see exploitation in that future... not freedom. This nightmare rock has abundance and greed. We've struggled with "easy mode"! Space doesn't exactly improve that; hellish rocks with nothing but our greed. Whoever delivers has the authority! Even with a more optimistic take, I don't like it. Posit that we have a nice overlord. They provide and expect nothing back. Given the environment, they'll determine that surveillance is paramount to safety of The Dome. We can't have someone spacing everybody.
- barrysteve 3y ago
  Yes but there is no requirement to surveil someone's bedroom, when their life totally depends on your agricultural handouts. A hard reset on surveillance is required. We have to build housing that cannot be surveilled, blacklist by default. Only whitelist approved sensors.
  - bravetraveler 3y ago
    Ah, but you see, they will surveil your bedroom... perhaps even assign a mate! To sustain The Dome, we must all have children here. Flying them up is mighty expensive! Dereliction thins the gene pool and will be punished.
    - barrysteve 3y ago
      Then it's war. What did you think I was going to do in my bedroom? Play blackjack? Assign all the mates and expect all the children you want, again you have agricultural control. Taking away food is totalitarian as needed. Don't look at my exam paper, don't look at my christmas present, don't look in my bedroom. They're for me, not the NSA.

bluescrn 3y ago

There’s not likely to be much freedom to be had in space or on Mars, in a situation where life support systems are fragile and need much more protection from careless/reckless individuals.

bravetraveler 3y ago

Whoever establishes another planet (or space) is likely to be rather authoritarian... Think "company town" but so, so much worse. The desolate environment, required infrastructure, and costs make me see exploitation in that future... not freedom. This nightmare rock has abundance and greed. We've struggled with "easy mode"! Space doesn't exactly improve that; hellish rocks with nothing but our greed. Whoever delivers has the authority! Even with a more optimistic take, I don't like it. Posit that we have a nice overlord. They provide and expect nothing back. Given the environment, they'll determine that surveillance is paramount to safety of The Dome. We can't have someone spacing everybody.

barrysteve 3y ago
Yes but there is no requirement to surveil someone's bedroom, when their life totally depends on your agricultural handouts. A hard reset on surveillance is required. We have to build housing that cannot be surveilled, blacklist by default. Only whitelist approved sensors.
- bravetraveler 3y ago
  Ah, but you see, they will surveil your bedroom... perhaps even assign a mate! To sustain The Dome, we must all have children here. Flying them up is mighty expensive! Dereliction thins the gene pool and will be punished.
  - barrysteve 3y ago
    Then it's war. What did you think I was going to do in my bedroom? Play blackjack? Assign all the mates and expect all the children you want, again you have agricultural control. Taking away food is totalitarian as needed. Don't look at my exam paper, don't look at my christmas present, don't look in my bedroom. They're for me, not the NSA.