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To ditch the biz we have to make dev and ops accessible to ourselves. Nobody does that. Making a proper login form still requires a team and a week. The biz si

by wruza 3y ago

To ditch the biz we have to make dev and ops accessible to ourselves. Nobody does that. Making a proper login form still requires a team and a week. The biz sits there rubbing its hands, watching us making the means of production more and more complex and expensive to use, so that it has a complete monopoly on creating software. Devs are so used to relatively big paychecks from the biz that unconsciously tend to ignore these issues. It’s not implementing dark patterns and cookie popups that makes you on the biz > * side. Tolerating the complexity of software development is. “Biz > complexity > *”. Push the complexity to the right as much as possible to ditch the biz. Due to developer deformation it should be explicitly stated what the complexity is: - Pointless “constant evolution” (version.major++ in less than 5-7 years, previous versions abandoned), - Embracing epoch-breaking changes (2/3, ESM) - Low-level as the norm (scaffold, config, listen, route, ddl, connect, hash, jwt, css, setstate, useeffect, fetch, … in place of business logic)

YoshiRulz 3y ago
It's interesting to hear you say that reducing complexity and building to last(?) is the solution. Do you know of any case studies (not even peer-reviewed necessarily, just examples) showing a "recovery" in terms of user freedom after making such changes? My view has always been that complexity should be reduced, but because it makes maintenance easier—reducing cost if you're paying maintainers—and can prevent bugs/vulns. Only tangentially related to privacy, via the latter. Also, I don't understand your last point. Are they all React builtins or something? If you're suggesting that the "shape" of an app's navigation, or of network or system calls, etc. should be how business logic is made concrete, I'd have to disagree. That sounds like microservices but with worse intrinsic documentation (the purest documentation there is).
- wruza 3y ago
  The kind of complexity I mentioned never gets reduced, or so to say the reduction happens in volumes, not in levels. E.g. an app that uses fetch() to access backend that uses SQL/DDL to init and access database. It never gets reduced into a thing that models data graphically and then uses out of box objects in frontend like `await main_obj.get_linked_obj()`. But it may be simplified by removing all the abstractions which ought to poorly simulate this but failed. A maintainer skill is still required to be high, only their mental capacity is taken care of. Keywords in the last point are from all over the stack. They should be erased from code in favor of much simpler concepts. How you name the users table, which routes access it, should that be fetched or cached, how to structure code to display it — all that is not a businesses business. It should look like e.g. “root.current_user = await User.login(username, password)”. Everything else is low-level.

by wruza 3y ago

YoshiRulz 3y ago

It's interesting to hear you say that reducing complexity and building to last(?) is the solution. Do you know of any case studies (not even peer-reviewed necessarily, just examples) showing a "recovery" in terms of user freedom after making such changes? My view has always been that complexity should be reduced, but because it makes maintenance easier—reducing cost if you're paying maintainers—and can prevent bugs/vulns. Only tangentially related to privacy, via the latter. Also, I don't understand your last point. Are they all React builtins or something? If you're suggesting that the "shape" of an app's navigation, or of network or system calls, etc. should be how business logic is made concrete, I'd have to disagree. That sounds like microservices but with worse intrinsic documentation (the purest documentation there is).

wruza 3y ago
The kind of complexity I mentioned never gets reduced, or so to say the reduction happens in volumes, not in levels. E.g. an app that uses fetch() to access backend that uses SQL/DDL to init and access database. It never gets reduced into a thing that models data graphically and then uses out of box objects in frontend like `await main_obj.get_linked_obj()`. But it may be simplified by removing all the abstractions which ought to poorly simulate this but failed. A maintainer skill is still required to be high, only their mental capacity is taken care of. Keywords in the last point are from all over the stack. They should be erased from code in favor of much simpler concepts. How you name the users table, which routes access it, should that be fetched or cached, how to structure code to display it — all that is not a businesses business. It should look like e.g. “root.current_user = await User.login(username, password)”. Everything else is low-level.