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in which utopian US city are you loving life? gotta say i never met any human describe US car infrastructure as "perfect" no matter where on the car lover spec

by apsurd 3y ago

in which utopian US city are you loving life? gotta say i never met any human describe US car infrastructure as "perfect" no matter where on the car lover spectrum they fall. disclaimer: i'm a bike bro as you call it

cyberax 3y ago
> in which utopian US city are you loving life? I loved Houston, TX. Its road system and zoning are freakishly well-designed, and it allows people to have commutes that are far more comfortable (and shorter!) than in dense cities. In fact, Houston ("Greater Houston Area") had shorter commute time than ANY European city of a comparable size! I moved out of there because I couldn't tolerate the climate. My second-favorite city is Salt Lake City. > disclaimer: i'm a bike bro as you call it Well, duh.
- apsurd 3y ago
  thanks for the reply. never been to houston. been to salt lake city, it's too spread out for me but surprisingly it feels walkable, even in 100°+ heat. probably because it's super flat. I enjoyed the people there. do you ever wonder why dense cities are dense though? we're all fooled? slaves? red pilled or whatever color the saying is
  - cyberax 3y ago
    > do you ever wonder why dense cities are dense though? we're all fooled? slaves? red pilled or whatever color the saying is There are no conspiracies, just pure market forces. Dense cities are more efficient for _companies_ because they allow access to larger talent pools. Basically, if you are Google, it might make sense to open an office near Amazon's campus, and hire away some of Amazon's engineers. This has an externality: more people will have to commute into that small area, resulting in longer commute time. Alternatively, they can move to live closer to that workplace, downsizing their living space and/or increasing the real estate price (more people competing for an inherently limited resource). We also know the market way to fix that: price the externalities via taxes or cap-and-trades. In this case, the density needs to be treated in this way.
    - lozenge 3y ago
      This ignores that people actually enjoy living in dense cities. There is a reason that so much media is set in NYC or a big city, people see it as exciting.
      - cyberax 3y ago
        People enjoy _visiting_ dense cities (I do too!). Living there? Not so much: https://www.builderonline.com/money/economics/80-percent-of-americans-prefer-single-family-homeownership_o https://www.builderonline.com/money/economics/80-percent-of-...
- benwad 3y ago
  I just looked up Houston's commute time and all[^1] the[^2] sources[^3] I found seem to say otherwise. I also found this[^4]: Apparently Europe's cities with the longest commute time have about the same commute time as Houston. Not to mention that Paris and Budapest have populations many times the size of Houston. ^1 https://houston.innovationmap.com/houston-worst-traffic-commute-time-smart-asset-2659481279.html https://houston.innovationmap.com/houston-worst-traffic-comm... ^2 https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/transportation/article/houston-commute-traffic-times-data-17025845.php https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/transpor... ^3 https://houston.culturemap.com/news/city-life/03-04-19-houston-worst-traffic-commute-times-america/ https://houston.culturemap.com/news/city-life/03-04-19-houst... ^4 https://www.mynewsdesk.com/eurofound/news/budapest-paris-and-amsterdam-report-longest-commuting-times-among-eu-capitals-394279 https://www.mynewsdesk.com/eurofound/news/budapest-paris-and...
  - cyberax 3y ago
    Here's your source: "The average commute time in Houston is 26.1 minutes" (^1). The average commute time for Berlin is 31 minutes, London is 47 minutes (https://www.timeout.com/london/news/london-is-only-the-sixth-worst-city-in-the-world-for-commuters-100722 https://www.timeout.com/london/news/london-is-only-the-sixth...), Paris area is 32 minutes, Madrid is 31 minutes. Population: Paris area is 12 million, Berlin is 4 million, Houston Area is 7.5 million, Madrid is 6.5 million. What am I missing?
    - EnergyAmy 3y ago
      You're trying to compare numbers across different studies with different methodologies. The articles above show that Houston is consistently terrible for a given study. Also, the article you linked draws from an irrelevant page on businessnamegenerator.com (???). Is this a troll?
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- 16bytes 3y ago
  > I loved Houston, TX Houston is famous for its nonsensical zoning and inefficient infrastructure. It's difficult to react to Houston being "freakishly well-designed" with a straight face. I've been to Houston and it's just a terrible place to visit, even considering the oppressive weather.

by apsurd 3y ago

cyberax 3y ago

> in which utopian US city are you loving life? I loved Houston, TX. Its road system and zoning are freakishly well-designed, and it allows people to have commutes that are far more comfortable (and shorter!) than in dense cities. In fact, Houston ("Greater Houston Area") had shorter commute time than ANY European city of a comparable size! I moved out of there because I couldn't tolerate the climate. My second-favorite city is Salt Lake City. > disclaimer: i'm a bike bro as you call it Well, duh.

apsurd 3y ago
thanks for the reply. never been to houston. been to salt lake city, it's too spread out for me but surprisingly it feels walkable, even in 100°+ heat. probably because it's super flat. I enjoyed the people there. do you ever wonder why dense cities are dense though? we're all fooled? slaves? red pilled or whatever color the saying is
- cyberax 3y ago
  > do you ever wonder why dense cities are dense though? we're all fooled? slaves? red pilled or whatever color the saying is There are no conspiracies, just pure market forces. Dense cities are more efficient for _companies_ because they allow access to larger talent pools. Basically, if you are Google, it might make sense to open an office near Amazon's campus, and hire away some of Amazon's engineers. This has an externality: more people will have to commute into that small area, resulting in longer commute time. Alternatively, they can move to live closer to that workplace, downsizing their living space and/or increasing the real estate price (more people competing for an inherently limited resource). We also know the market way to fix that: price the externalities via taxes or cap-and-trades. In this case, the density needs to be treated in this way.
  - lozenge 3y ago
    This ignores that people actually enjoy living in dense cities. There is a reason that so much media is set in NYC or a big city, people see it as exciting.
    - cyberax 3y ago
      People enjoy _visiting_ dense cities (I do too!). Living there? Not so much: https://www.builderonline.com/money/economics/80-percent-of-americans-prefer-single-family-homeownership_o https://www.builderonline.com/money/economics/80-percent-of-...
benwad 3y ago
I just looked up Houston's commute time and all[^1] the[^2] sources[^3] I found seem to say otherwise. I also found this[^4]: Apparently Europe's cities with the longest commute time have about the same commute time as Houston. Not to mention that Paris and Budapest have populations many times the size of Houston. ^1 https://houston.innovationmap.com/houston-worst-traffic-commute-time-smart-asset-2659481279.html https://houston.innovationmap.com/houston-worst-traffic-comm... ^2 https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/transportation/article/houston-commute-traffic-times-data-17025845.php https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/transpor... ^3 https://houston.culturemap.com/news/city-life/03-04-19-houston-worst-traffic-commute-times-america/ https://houston.culturemap.com/news/city-life/03-04-19-houst... ^4 https://www.mynewsdesk.com/eurofound/news/budapest-paris-and-amsterdam-report-longest-commuting-times-among-eu-capitals-394279 https://www.mynewsdesk.com/eurofound/news/budapest-paris-and...
- cyberax 3y ago
  Here's your source: "The average commute time in Houston is 26.1 minutes" (^1). The average commute time for Berlin is 31 minutes, London is 47 minutes (https://www.timeout.com/london/news/london-is-only-the-sixth-worst-city-in-the-world-for-commuters-100722 https://www.timeout.com/london/news/london-is-only-the-sixth...), Paris area is 32 minutes, Madrid is 31 minutes. Population: Paris area is 12 million, Berlin is 4 million, Houston Area is 7.5 million, Madrid is 6.5 million. What am I missing?
  - EnergyAmy 3y ago
    You're trying to compare numbers across different studies with different methodologies. The articles above show that Houston is consistently terrible for a given study. Also, the article you linked draws from an irrelevant page on businessnamegenerator.com (???). Is this a troll?
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16bytes 3y ago
> I loved Houston, TX Houston is famous for its nonsensical zoning and inefficient infrastructure. It's difficult to react to Houston being "freakishly well-designed" with a straight face. I've been to Houston and it's just a terrible place to visit, even considering the oppressive weather.