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Why did you use the word Banderite?

zmgsabst 3y ago
Banderites: followers of Stepan Bandera. You know, those people with Nazi insignia that are celebrated as heroes in Ukraine. And feature in NATO photos. https://www.newsweek.com/nato-says-it-didnt-notice-ukraine-soldiers-apparent-nazi-symbol-tweet-1686523 https://www.newsweek.com/nato-says-it-didnt-notice-ukraine-s...
- yakshaving_jgt 3y ago
  You have to be pretty out of touch (or just dishonest) to think that russia’s war against Ukraine has anything to do with Naziism. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/02/pro-kremlin-neo-nazi-militia-inciting-torture-murder-ukrainian-prisoners https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/02/pro-kremlin-ne...
  - zmgsabst 3y ago
    Russia’s war in Ukraine is about NATO being on their doorstep and the failure of negotiated peace. That doesn’t change that the US trained and armed Banderites in Ukraine.
    - yakshaving_jgt 3y ago
      No, it isn’t. If it was, they wouldn’t be moving ordnance and personnel from Kaliningrad and their borders with Finland to Ukraine to bolster their invasion. My previous assessment hasn’t changed. You are either blissfully ignorant of the reality of the war in Ukraine and russia’s aims, or you are deliberately spreading misinformation here.
      - ethanwillis 3y ago
        I think your previous assessment is right. I asked my initial question because it's not typical for someone to use the word Banderite. Combined with an account creation in Jan. 2022 and a history of comments like this. Well, it's strange.
    - repelsteeltje 3y ago
      To be fair, in hindsight I can see why Russia felt threatened by NATO after Ukraine jumped from its lap feb 2014. But framing the Maidan events as some sort of US sponsored Nazi coup seems a bit of a tangent.
      - skjoldr 3y ago
        Putin felt threatened because he couldn't understand how his puppet was ousted, as he doesn't believe in the concept of grassroots political opposition or the existence of the Internet, and came to the irrational conclusion that it must have been Americans. Yet another proof that out of touch old men in power bring ruin to their people.
    - koonsolo 3y ago
      Russia invaded Ukraine for the same reason it started a war with Chechenia and Georgia. Let me tell you: it has absolute zero to do with NATO. NATO however, has everything to do with Russia constantly trying to invade their neighbours. Besides, NATO is already at their doorstep with Finland. Did it change anything? And how can you negotiate with a country like Russia? Peace deal now is an invasion in 5 years.
    - skjoldr 3y ago
      NATO countries have never attacked peaceful and non-aggressive governments that take good care of their own people. Russia, obviously, is not one of them. It's their problem, not NATO's.
  - numpad0 3y ago
    Is Anduril(and by extension Palantir...?) Russia connected? The -M suffix used in the weaponized version is reminiscent of Russian nomenclature("Modified" or "Modernized" in Russian spelling).
    - adastra22 3y ago
      No.
- skjoldr 3y ago
  A smaller nation adopting the old symbols of what their current attackers deem the greatest threat to their existence that they had ever faced, seems like a surprisingly hard concept to understand. People should really read more biology, defenseless species of animals adopting the bold and provocative colors of another, poisonous species, that look somewhat like them, is not an unheard of form of mimicry.

Banderites: followers of Stepan Bandera. You know, those people with Nazi insignia that are celebrated as heroes in Ukraine. And feature in NATO photos. https://www.newsweek.com/nato-says-it-didnt-notice-ukraine-soldiers-apparent-nazi-symbol-tweet-1686523 https://www.newsweek.com/nato-says-it-didnt-notice-ukraine-s...

yakshaving_jgt 3y ago
You have to be pretty out of touch (or just dishonest) to think that russia’s war against Ukraine has anything to do with Naziism. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/02/pro-kremlin-neo-nazi-militia-inciting-torture-murder-ukrainian-prisoners https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/02/pro-kremlin-ne...
- zmgsabst 3y ago
  Russia’s war in Ukraine is about NATO being on their doorstep and the failure of negotiated peace. That doesn’t change that the US trained and armed Banderites in Ukraine.
  - yakshaving_jgt 3y ago
    No, it isn’t. If it was, they wouldn’t be moving ordnance and personnel from Kaliningrad and their borders with Finland to Ukraine to bolster their invasion. My previous assessment hasn’t changed. You are either blissfully ignorant of the reality of the war in Ukraine and russia’s aims, or you are deliberately spreading misinformation here.
    - ethanwillis 3y ago
      I think your previous assessment is right. I asked my initial question because it's not typical for someone to use the word Banderite. Combined with an account creation in Jan. 2022 and a history of comments like this. Well, it's strange.
  - repelsteeltje 3y ago
    To be fair, in hindsight I can see why Russia felt threatened by NATO after Ukraine jumped from its lap feb 2014. But framing the Maidan events as some sort of US sponsored Nazi coup seems a bit of a tangent.
    - skjoldr 3y ago
      Putin felt threatened because he couldn't understand how his puppet was ousted, as he doesn't believe in the concept of grassroots political opposition or the existence of the Internet, and came to the irrational conclusion that it must have been Americans. Yet another proof that out of touch old men in power bring ruin to their people.
  - koonsolo 3y ago
    Russia invaded Ukraine for the same reason it started a war with Chechenia and Georgia. Let me tell you: it has absolute zero to do with NATO. NATO however, has everything to do with Russia constantly trying to invade their neighbours. Besides, NATO is already at their doorstep with Finland. Did it change anything? And how can you negotiate with a country like Russia? Peace deal now is an invasion in 5 years.
  - skjoldr 3y ago
    NATO countries have never attacked peaceful and non-aggressive governments that take good care of their own people. Russia, obviously, is not one of them. It's their problem, not NATO's.
- numpad0 3y ago
  Is Anduril(and by extension Palantir...?) Russia connected? The -M suffix used in the weaponized version is reminiscent of Russian nomenclature("Modified" or "Modernized" in Russian spelling).
  - adastra22 3y ago
    No.
skjoldr 3y ago
A smaller nation adopting the old symbols of what their current attackers deem the greatest threat to their existence that they had ever faced, seems like a surprisingly hard concept to understand. People should really read more biology, defenseless species of animals adopting the bold and provocative colors of another, poisonous species, that look somewhat like them, is not an unheard of form of mimicry.