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To play devils advocate here: the best camera is the one you have with you, and computational photography does mean you can just push a button without thinking

To play devils advocate here: the best camera is the one you have with you, and computational photography does mean you can just push a button without thinking and get a clear picture that captures a memory. It’s obviously an argument to say that Apple shouldn’t get to choose how your memories are recorded, but I know I’ve captured a lot more moments I would’ve otherwise missed because of just how automatic phone cameras are. There’s a place for both kinds of cameras IMO.

WWLink 3y ago
I used to keep a powershot digital elph in my pocket whenever I left the house. TBH I took way more pictures with it. I could blindly turn it on and snap a picture while driving, without ever taking my eyes off the road. There's no way in the world I could do that with an iphone lol. I mean, I suppose if I happened to hit the bottom right corner button and then used the volume button maybe? Maybe. It's way more likely I'd cock it up lol.
- DonHopkins 3y ago
  >I could blindly turn it on and snap a picture while driving, without ever taking my eyes off the road. Isn't driving while blind illegal?
- vladvasiliu 3y ago
  You can always configure it to start the camera by swiping left on the lock screen. Then, the volume buttons are big enough to easily hit one of them.
autoexec 3y ago
> computational photography does mean you can just push a button without thinking and get a clear picture that captures a memory. I'd argue that the women trying to take a photo of herself in her wedding dress did not get a clear picture that captures a memory. She got a very confusing picture that captured something which never happened. There are lots of great automatic camera features which are super helpful, but don't falsify events. If I take a picture of my kid I want my actual child in the photo, not a cobbled together AI generated monstrosity of what apple thinks my kid ought to have looked like in that moment. Automatic cameras are great. Cameras that outright lie to you are not.
- dahart 3y ago
  > don’t falsify events […] Cameras that outright lie […] AI generated monstrosity of what apple thinks Oh the irony of framing things (pun intended) so hyperbolically. Somehow it never seems to dawn on people that like to throw around the word ‘lie’ that they’re doing exactly what they’re complaining about, except intentionally, which seems way worse. Nobody sat down to say bwahahah let’s make the iphone create fake photos, the intent obviously is to use automated methods to capture the highest quality image while trying to be relatively faithful to the scene, which might mean capturing moving subjects at very slightly different times, in order to avoid photo-wrecking smudges. When you blatantly ignore the stated intent and project your own negative assumptions of other people’s motivations, that becomes consciously falsifying the situation. Photographs are not and never have been anything but an unrepresentative slice of a likeness of a moment in time, framed by the photographer to leave almost everything out, distorted by a lens, recolored during the process, and displayed in a completely different medium that adds more distortion and recoloring. There is no truth to a photograph in the first place, automatic or not, it’s an image, not reality. Photos have often implied the wrong thing, ever since the medium was invented. The greatest photos are especially prone to being unrealistic depictions. Having an auto stitch of a few people a few milliseconds apart is no different in its truthiness from a rolling shutter or a pano that takes time to sweep, no different from an auto shutter that waits for less camera shake, no different from a time-lapse, no different from any automatic feature, and no different from manual features too. Adjusting my f-stop and focus is really just as much distorting reality as auto-stitching is. Anyway, she did get a clear memory that was quite faithful to within a second, it just has a slightly funny surprise.
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  - ClumsyPilot 3y ago
    > Photographs are not and never have been anything but an unrepresentative slice of a likeness of a moment in time, This is a complete absurdity Photos are used daily to find suspects of crimes to convict people to prison to establish the level of devastation in a war To find launch site for rocket attacks To make scientific measurements of distance,size, etc. in architecture and war By scientists to determine position of things in the sky, meteors, etc. You are like a guy that collects knifes and swords and has no idea what they are actually for
timeon 3y ago
Here iPhone is using collage instead of showing particular photo. Then there was Samsung taking sharp picture of moon that was just completely generated. > the best camera is the one you have with you > I’ve captured a lot more moments I would’ve otherwise missed Soon these moments will be 'captured' so perfectly with simulation that there wouldn't be reason taking them. Generate them when you want to recall them, not when the moment is happening. JIT 'photography'
- TeMPOraL 3y ago
  > Generate them when you want to recall them, not when the moment is happening. At this point, photography becomes a shittier version of what our brains do, so why bother? Or maybe let's do that, but then let's also do the kind of photography that accurately represents photons hitting the imaging plate.

WWLink 3y ago

I used to keep a powershot digital elph in my pocket whenever I left the house. TBH I took way more pictures with it. I could blindly turn it on and snap a picture while driving, without ever taking my eyes off the road. There's no way in the world I could do that with an iphone lol. I mean, I suppose if I happened to hit the bottom right corner button and then used the volume button maybe? Maybe. It's way more likely I'd cock it up lol.

DonHopkins 3y ago
>I could blindly turn it on and snap a picture while driving, without ever taking my eyes off the road. Isn't driving while blind illegal?
vladvasiliu 3y ago
You can always configure it to start the camera by swiping left on the lock screen. Then, the volume buttons are big enough to easily hit one of them.

autoexec 3y ago

> computational photography does mean you can just push a button without thinking and get a clear picture that captures a memory. I'd argue that the women trying to take a photo of herself in her wedding dress did not get a clear picture that captures a memory. She got a very confusing picture that captured something which never happened. There are lots of great automatic camera features which are super helpful, but don't falsify events. If I take a picture of my kid I want my actual child in the photo, not a cobbled together AI generated monstrosity of what apple thinks my kid ought to have looked like in that moment. Automatic cameras are great. Cameras that outright lie to you are not.

dahart 3y ago
> don’t falsify events […] Cameras that outright lie […] AI generated monstrosity of what apple thinks Oh the irony of framing things (pun intended) so hyperbolically. Somehow it never seems to dawn on people that like to throw around the word ‘lie’ that they’re doing exactly what they’re complaining about, except intentionally, which seems way worse. Nobody sat down to say bwahahah let’s make the iphone create fake photos, the intent obviously is to use automated methods to capture the highest quality image while trying to be relatively faithful to the scene, which might mean capturing moving subjects at very slightly different times, in order to avoid photo-wrecking smudges. When you blatantly ignore the stated intent and project your own negative assumptions of other people’s motivations, that becomes consciously falsifying the situation. Photographs are not and never have been anything but an unrepresentative slice of a likeness of a moment in time, framed by the photographer to leave almost everything out, distorted by a lens, recolored during the process, and displayed in a completely different medium that adds more distortion and recoloring. There is no truth to a photograph in the first place, automatic or not, it’s an image, not reality. Photos have often implied the wrong thing, ever since the medium was invented. The greatest photos are especially prone to being unrealistic depictions. Having an auto stitch of a few people a few milliseconds apart is no different in its truthiness from a rolling shutter or a pano that takes time to sweep, no different from an auto shutter that waits for less camera shake, no different from a time-lapse, no different from any automatic feature, and no different from manual features too. Adjusting my f-stop and focus is really just as much distorting reality as auto-stitching is. Anyway, she did get a clear memory that was quite faithful to within a second, it just has a slightly funny surprise.
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- ClumsyPilot 3y ago
  > Photographs are not and never have been anything but an unrepresentative slice of a likeness of a moment in time, This is a complete absurdity Photos are used daily to find suspects of crimes to convict people to prison to establish the level of devastation in a war To find launch site for rocket attacks To make scientific measurements of distance,size, etc. in architecture and war By scientists to determine position of things in the sky, meteors, etc. You are like a guy that collects knifes and swords and has no idea what they are actually for

timeon 3y ago

Here iPhone is using collage instead of showing particular photo. Then there was Samsung taking sharp picture of moon that was just completely generated. > the best camera is the one you have with you > I’ve captured a lot more moments I would’ve otherwise missed Soon these moments will be 'captured' so perfectly with simulation that there wouldn't be reason taking them. Generate them when you want to recall them, not when the moment is happening. JIT 'photography'

TeMPOraL 3y ago
> Generate them when you want to recall them, not when the moment is happening. At this point, photography becomes a shittier version of what our brains do, so why bother? Or maybe let's do that, but then let's also do the kind of photography that accurately represents photons hitting the imaging plate.