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It is extremely misleading to include gas savings as a reduction in purchase price. If anything that should be used as a comparison of overall operating costs

It is extremely misleading to include gas savings as a reduction in purchase price. If anything that should be used as a comparison of overall operating costs and cost more than the purchase price but not as much more as the gas competitor.

riscy 3y ago
Yes, they’re assuming electricity is free.
- wilg 3y ago
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- qarl 3y ago
  Oh come on... what's a little fibbing among friends? I heard that if you buy a Cybertruck Elon will personally write you checks for your increased electrical usage. I'm sure it must be true.
- electrondood 3y ago
  No, they factor in the cost of charging, both at home and at a supercharger, when they calculate estimated gas savings.
- tgsovlerkhgsel 3y ago
  No, they didn't. From the details page: "We've assumed a fuel economy of 20.0 miles per gallon for a comparable gasoline powered truck. We've also assumed the national average of $0.16 per kilowatt-hour for residential electricity (assumed for 100% of charging) and $3.30 per gallon for gasoline over the next three years."
  - throwitaway222 3y ago
    And in CA, it's $0.30 per KWH, so extremely misleading if you are there - which most of the purchases will be at. Also in CA that price is going up 5% per year.
    - tgsovlerkhgsel 3y ago
      OTOH CA doesn't have $3.30 gas prices either.
      - throwitaway222 3y ago
        Even at $4 or $5 that's not twice $3.30.
        TMWNN 3y ago
        SF Bay area gas prices are just under $6/gallon.
      - jjeaff 3y ago
        I've been filling up with e85 gasoline for $2.99 a gallon in California. not sure how common vehicles are that can run on e85, but mine is a 2007 model.
    - dkjaudyeqooe 3y ago
      In the UK that's more like $0.45 and in Germany $0.60.
      - sveme 3y ago
        For home electricity? Maybe during the peak of '22, certainly not now: I pay around 0.25€/kWh on average per month via Tibber in Germany. Most new contracts are closer to 0.28€/kWh according to the Zeit Energymonitor at the moment.
    - fragmede 3y ago
      $4.66 for a gallon of gas but it's up to $0.50/kWh peak rate in San Francisco.
    - Mountain_Skies 3y ago
      And in Georgia you can get EV charging at home for as low as 1.7 cents per KWH. Unless they're going to let you enter your zip code and use a national power company rate database along with local gasoline prices, using the national averages seems reasonable.
bo1024 3y ago
Yeah - not to mention that nowadays most will be comparing the price to other electric vehicles.
starcraft2wol 3y ago
There are two price tabs, toggle it to the left.
- jachee 3y ago
  That should be the only tab. The other is 100.0% misleading.
Imnimo 3y ago
I'm surprised it doesn't take into account how much money Elon thinks you'll be able to make renting it out as a robotaxi.
kube-system 3y ago
I think Ford should counter and start putting the estimated savings in horseshoes and hay bales in their vehicle pricing.

riscy 3y ago

Yes, they’re assuming electricity is free.

wilg 3y ago
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qarl 3y ago
Oh come on... what's a little fibbing among friends? I heard that if you buy a Cybertruck Elon will personally write you checks for your increased electrical usage. I'm sure it must be true.
electrondood 3y ago
No, they factor in the cost of charging, both at home and at a supercharger, when they calculate estimated gas savings.
tgsovlerkhgsel 3y ago
No, they didn't. From the details page: "We've assumed a fuel economy of 20.0 miles per gallon for a comparable gasoline powered truck. We've also assumed the national average of $0.16 per kilowatt-hour for residential electricity (assumed for 100% of charging) and $3.30 per gallon for gasoline over the next three years."
- throwitaway222 3y ago
  And in CA, it's $0.30 per KWH, so extremely misleading if you are there - which most of the purchases will be at. Also in CA that price is going up 5% per year.
  - tgsovlerkhgsel 3y ago
    OTOH CA doesn't have $3.30 gas prices either.
    - throwitaway222 3y ago
      Even at $4 or $5 that's not twice $3.30.
      - TMWNN 3y ago
        SF Bay area gas prices are just under $6/gallon.
    - jjeaff 3y ago
      I've been filling up with e85 gasoline for $2.99 a gallon in California. not sure how common vehicles are that can run on e85, but mine is a 2007 model.
  - dkjaudyeqooe 3y ago
    In the UK that's more like $0.45 and in Germany $0.60.
    - sveme 3y ago
      For home electricity? Maybe during the peak of '22, certainly not now: I pay around 0.25€/kWh on average per month via Tibber in Germany. Most new contracts are closer to 0.28€/kWh according to the Zeit Energymonitor at the moment.
  - fragmede 3y ago
    $4.66 for a gallon of gas but it's up to $0.50/kWh peak rate in San Francisco.
  - Mountain_Skies 3y ago
    And in Georgia you can get EV charging at home for as low as 1.7 cents per KWH. Unless they're going to let you enter your zip code and use a national power company rate database along with local gasoline prices, using the national averages seems reasonable.

bo1024 3y ago

Yeah - not to mention that nowadays most will be comparing the price to other electric vehicles.

starcraft2wol 3y ago

There are two price tabs, toggle it to the left.

jachee 3y ago
That should be the only tab. The other is 100.0% misleading.

Imnimo 3y ago

I'm surprised it doesn't take into account how much money Elon thinks you'll be able to make renting it out as a robotaxi.

kube-system 3y ago

I think Ford should counter and start putting the estimated savings in horseshoes and hay bales in their vehicle pricing.