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A separate battery pack that costs an extra $16k, and still doesn't get the promised range. Cybertruck has missed the mark big time.

by adoxyz 3y ago

DoesntMatter22 3y ago
This affects almost nobody. It's not gonna matter.
- adfhadhinoi 3y ago
  It's fraud. I will admit that this is a relatively benign fraud for Tesla. There's no obvious victim, unlike when Tesla simply pocketed $250,000,000 of deposits for the Roadster or conned people into buying "robotaxis" which fully self drove themselves into oncoming traffic.
  - nameistaken 3y ago
    When did any of this happen. Get a grip.
    - mplewis 3y ago
      When did Tesla take deposits for the Roadster? In 2017, and they haven't shown a prototype in years.
      - DoesntMatter22 3y ago
        The money is fully refundable, and the people who signed up agreed to the terms. There is no fraud there. They can still get their money back if they are tired of waiting.
        addicted 3y ago
        Yeah, that can absolutely still be fraud. If you make someone sign a contract promising a product and you strongly indicate it will be delivered by a certain date, it’s still fraud if you know it won’t be delivered by that date even if the contract says that the date is just a suggestion. I mean, that’s actually the very definition of fraud. Getting someone to sign a contract by deceiving them. Of course, it’s hard to prove that someone knew that they were lying, which is why fraud is hard to prosecute. But it’s amazing seeing Tesla fans go out of their way to take bullets so Tesla doesn’t even suffer the social consequences their fraud should cause them for absolutely nothing.
        DoesntMatter22 3y ago
        So you've proven is not fraud. You would have to prove that they knew they couldn't deliver it by that date. And you can't do that with any available information.
    - rvz 3y ago
      > When did any of this happen. So the Level 5 ‘robotaxis’ that were promised to be delivered in 2020 by Elon Musk are now delivered and are on the roads then? I would also be annoyed if I was mislead into buying something that did not function or did not exist as advertised. That is deceptive advertising, which is frequent with Tesla’s FSD scam.
    - runnerup 3y ago
      Google "Tesla Diversion Team". They've institutionalized management of their fraud. https://www.google.com/search?q=telsa+diversion+team https://www.google.com/search?q=telsa+diversion+team
  - DoesntMatter22 3y ago
    There was no fraud in any of this. People made the reservations after saying signing an agreement that said that the specifications may change. > buying "robotaxis" which fully self drove themselves into oncoming traffic. This doesn't even make sense as they haven't released any sort of Robo Taxi yet.
    - ratg13 3y ago
      They are likely referring to Elon’s 2018 promise that people that bought Teslas could make money while they slept because people could rent their Tesla from an app and the car would return to the users driveway by the morning.
      - DoesntMatter22 3y ago
        Sure but he didn't say it would happen for certain by a certain day. If he did, even then, it wouldn't be fraud, it would just be a company not living up to what they promised. Which is nothing new, nor is it fraud. Fraud would be someone intentionally deceiving you, which in this case would be nearly impossible to prove, hence not fraud.
        AmINotARobot 3y ago
        But he did say that [0] and he does intentionally deceive customes. One of the key reasons why it doesn't constitute as fraud is his abundant use of "I'm confident that ____" (and similar) he uses when stating these ludicrous things. It is deceptive and it is amoral but legally it is not fraud since those are opinions and not stated as facts. [0] Article summarizing keynote (Apr. 2019) - https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-autonomous-driving-level-5-model-3-robotaxi/ https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-autonomous-driving-lev...
        buffington 3y ago
        I think that's giving Elon Musk too much credit. I think Elon says things fully expecting them to become true. Whenever I hear him say "I'm confident that X will happen by Y", I mentally add "provided that every single engineer at [one of his companies] puts in 20 hour days for 2 years and manages to solve a mountain of problems that have never been solved before." Sometimes it works, which unfortunately encourages the behavior.
  - slovette 3y ago
    I don’t know a single person that bought a Tesla solely because they thought they’d be income generating “robotaxis”. Not a single one.
    - sschueller 3y ago
      A 3d printing YouTuber I used to follow did just that. Justified the high cost of getting a model 3 that it will pay for itself in a year when the robotaxies feature is available. I stop following him after that. I can't take his reviews seriously if he falls for that crap.
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A separate battery pack that costs an extra $16k, and still doesn't get the promised range. Cybertruck has missed the mark big time.

by adoxyz 3y ago

A separate battery pack that costs an extra $16k, and still doesn't get the promised range. Cybertruck has missed the mark big time.

DoesntMatter22 3y ago

This affects almost nobody. It's not gonna matter.

adfhadhinoi 3y ago
It's fraud. I will admit that this is a relatively benign fraud for Tesla. There's no obvious victim, unlike when Tesla simply pocketed $250,000,000 of deposits for the Roadster or conned people into buying "robotaxis" which fully self drove themselves into oncoming traffic.
- nameistaken 3y ago
  When did any of this happen. Get a grip.
  - mplewis 3y ago
    When did Tesla take deposits for the Roadster? In 2017, and they haven't shown a prototype in years.
    - DoesntMatter22 3y ago
      The money is fully refundable, and the people who signed up agreed to the terms. There is no fraud there. They can still get their money back if they are tired of waiting.
      - addicted 3y ago
        Yeah, that can absolutely still be fraud. If you make someone sign a contract promising a product and you strongly indicate it will be delivered by a certain date, it’s still fraud if you know it won’t be delivered by that date even if the contract says that the date is just a suggestion. I mean, that’s actually the very definition of fraud. Getting someone to sign a contract by deceiving them. Of course, it’s hard to prove that someone knew that they were lying, which is why fraud is hard to prosecute. But it’s amazing seeing Tesla fans go out of their way to take bullets so Tesla doesn’t even suffer the social consequences their fraud should cause them for absolutely nothing.
        DoesntMatter22 3y ago
        So you've proven is not fraud. You would have to prove that they knew they couldn't deliver it by that date. And you can't do that with any available information.
  - rvz 3y ago
    > When did any of this happen. So the Level 5 ‘robotaxis’ that were promised to be delivered in 2020 by Elon Musk are now delivered and are on the roads then? I would also be annoyed if I was mislead into buying something that did not function or did not exist as advertised. That is deceptive advertising, which is frequent with Tesla’s FSD scam.
  - runnerup 3y ago
    Google "Tesla Diversion Team". They've institutionalized management of their fraud. https://www.google.com/search?q=telsa+diversion+team https://www.google.com/search?q=telsa+diversion+team
- DoesntMatter22 3y ago
  There was no fraud in any of this. People made the reservations after saying signing an agreement that said that the specifications may change. > buying "robotaxis" which fully self drove themselves into oncoming traffic. This doesn't even make sense as they haven't released any sort of Robo Taxi yet.
  - ratg13 3y ago
    They are likely referring to Elon’s 2018 promise that people that bought Teslas could make money while they slept because people could rent their Tesla from an app and the car would return to the users driveway by the morning.
    - DoesntMatter22 3y ago
      Sure but he didn't say it would happen for certain by a certain day. If he did, even then, it wouldn't be fraud, it would just be a company not living up to what they promised. Which is nothing new, nor is it fraud. Fraud would be someone intentionally deceiving you, which in this case would be nearly impossible to prove, hence not fraud.
      - AmINotARobot 3y ago
        But he did say that [0] and he does intentionally deceive customes. One of the key reasons why it doesn't constitute as fraud is his abundant use of "I'm confident that ____" (and similar) he uses when stating these ludicrous things. It is deceptive and it is amoral but legally it is not fraud since those are opinions and not stated as facts. [0] Article summarizing keynote (Apr. 2019) - https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-autonomous-driving-level-5-model-3-robotaxi/ https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-autonomous-driving-lev...
        buffington 3y ago
        I think that's giving Elon Musk too much credit. I think Elon says things fully expecting them to become true. Whenever I hear him say "I'm confident that X will happen by Y", I mentally add "provided that every single engineer at [one of his companies] puts in 20 hour days for 2 years and manages to solve a mountain of problems that have never been solved before." Sometimes it works, which unfortunately encourages the behavior.
- slovette 3y ago
  I don’t know a single person that bought a Tesla solely because they thought they’d be income generating “robotaxis”. Not a single one.
  - sschueller 3y ago
    A 3d printing YouTuber I used to follow did just that. Justified the high cost of getting a model 3 that it will pay for itself in a year when the robotaxies feature is available. I stop following him after that. I can't take his reviews seriously if he falls for that crap.
  - deleted 3y ago
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