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I think that point was completely lost on the OP. As far as lack of taste is concerned, people need to be more self critical and understand their limits. I'm

I think that point was completely lost on the OP. As far as lack of taste is concerned, people need to be more self critical and understand their limits. I'm a good engineer, but not so great designer, so it's a lot more cost effective for me to find a good designer to work with.

nathanbarry 15y ago
You're right. That was lost on me. I remembered the transitions in the original Star Wars, but didn’t think they were so over the top. Now I need to go back and watch the original films to see how bad they really are.
- hammock 15y ago
  By the by, the wipes Lucas used in the original Star Wars trilogy were inspired by the way Kurosawa (one of the most important and influential filmmakers in the history of cinema, say Wikipedia) used wipes and "help evoke a kinship to old pulp science fiction novels and serials." They are supposed to be campy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wipe_%28transition%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wipe_%28transition%29 At some point in their career I think everyone learns that a "good taste" and artistry requires a solid knowledge of history, regardless of whether you choose to build on it or depart from it. The naive approach only gets you so far. The old anecdote about how young Picasso trained on more traditional art techniques before becoming free to go off into the deep end.
  - nathanbarry 15y ago
    It's interesting to read about where they have been used. I think the effects that bothered me the most were the blinds and dissolve transitions. "You will find as you develop in your career that a well-developed taste requires a good knowledge of history, regardless of whether you choose to build on it or depart from it." I agree completely.
slantyyz 15y ago
>> I think that point was completely lost of the OP. Totally agree. Here's the weird thing for me. The title "Skill doesn't matter if you lack taste" is a gross oversimplification. One that can be countered with the another oversimplification "Taste doesn't matter if the work you produce is ineffective". The two points he makes (Star Wars and Local TV ads), while tastefully written, don't seem to be (to me at least) fully fleshed arguments that support the post's thesis.
bicknergseng 15y ago
I agree and might go so far as to say the transitions were in good taste. "Taste" seems to me like a fairly generic word that can be easily misused. To me, taste implies consistency with tradition as well as good design, etc., but the OP seems to think that taste is directly synonymous with good design. If he really wanted to use an example of bad taste from the new Star Wars movies, it seems like everything Jar Jar would have been the easy target.
- ionforce 15y ago
  How do you feel taste is different from good design?
  - bicknergseng 15y ago
    For what I just mentioned. Taste encompasses more than just design. Wikipedia actually describes it pretty well in my opinion: "Taste as an aesthetic, sociological, economic and anthropological concept refers to a cultural patterns of choice and preference." I would say design only really addresses aesthetic. Tomato tomahto maybe. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taste_(sociology) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taste_(sociology)
- nathanbarry 15y ago
  True, but that would be talking about script and character development rather than design.
  - bicknergseng 15y ago
    Ah, but that's our point I think. You mean to talk about design, but taste is not synonymous with design. If you mean to say that the SW screen wipes are terrible design even if they're properly implemented, I think you'd have less people squawking. But you said they were bad taste, which is subjectively incorrect because they are in keeping with the older films.
kenrikm 15y ago
Site does not render well on the iPad and a really poor choice of fonts for the title were what lost me. Never criticize condem or complain, people in glass houses, well.. I'm not trying to be overly negative I'm just pointing out a few things I noticed *palmslap bad Kenrik.
- nathanbarry 15y ago
  I'll have to check out the rendering on the iPad. Thanks for pointing out that bug.
- dhugiaskmak 15y ago
  It's pretty awful on a desktop, too. Here's what I see on my 1280x1024 screen with a browser taking up nearly all of that vertical space: http://imgur.com/Z6aeQ http://imgur.com/Z6aeQ Where's the content?

nathanbarry 15y ago

You're right. That was lost on me. I remembered the transitions in the original Star Wars, but didn’t think they were so over the top. Now I need to go back and watch the original films to see how bad they really are.

hammock 15y ago
By the by, the wipes Lucas used in the original Star Wars trilogy were inspired by the way Kurosawa (one of the most important and influential filmmakers in the history of cinema, say Wikipedia) used wipes and "help evoke a kinship to old pulp science fiction novels and serials." They are supposed to be campy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wipe_%28transition%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wipe_%28transition%29 At some point in their career I think everyone learns that a "good taste" and artistry requires a solid knowledge of history, regardless of whether you choose to build on it or depart from it. The naive approach only gets you so far. The old anecdote about how young Picasso trained on more traditional art techniques before becoming free to go off into the deep end.
- nathanbarry 15y ago
  It's interesting to read about where they have been used. I think the effects that bothered me the most were the blinds and dissolve transitions. "You will find as you develop in your career that a well-developed taste requires a good knowledge of history, regardless of whether you choose to build on it or depart from it." I agree completely.

slantyyz 15y ago

>> I think that point was completely lost of the OP. Totally agree. Here's the weird thing for me. The title "Skill doesn't matter if you lack taste" is a gross oversimplification. One that can be countered with the another oversimplification "Taste doesn't matter if the work you produce is ineffective". The two points he makes (Star Wars and Local TV ads), while tastefully written, don't seem to be (to me at least) fully fleshed arguments that support the post's thesis.

bicknergseng 15y ago

I agree and might go so far as to say the transitions were in good taste. "Taste" seems to me like a fairly generic word that can be easily misused. To me, taste implies consistency with tradition as well as good design, etc., but the OP seems to think that taste is directly synonymous with good design. If he really wanted to use an example of bad taste from the new Star Wars movies, it seems like everything Jar Jar would have been the easy target.

ionforce 15y ago
How do you feel taste is different from good design?
- bicknergseng 15y ago
  For what I just mentioned. Taste encompasses more than just design. Wikipedia actually describes it pretty well in my opinion: "Taste as an aesthetic, sociological, economic and anthropological concept refers to a cultural patterns of choice and preference." I would say design only really addresses aesthetic. Tomato tomahto maybe. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taste_(sociology) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taste_(sociology)
nathanbarry 15y ago
True, but that would be talking about script and character development rather than design.
- bicknergseng 15y ago
  Ah, but that's our point I think. You mean to talk about design, but taste is not synonymous with design. If you mean to say that the SW screen wipes are terrible design even if they're properly implemented, I think you'd have less people squawking. But you said they were bad taste, which is subjectively incorrect because they are in keeping with the older films.

kenrikm 15y ago

Site does not render well on the iPad and a really poor choice of fonts for the title were what lost me. Never criticize condem or complain, people in glass houses, well.. I'm not trying to be overly negative I'm just pointing out a few things I noticed *palmslap bad Kenrik.

nathanbarry 15y ago
I'll have to check out the rendering on the iPad. Thanks for pointing out that bug.
dhugiaskmak 15y ago
It's pretty awful on a desktop, too. Here's what I see on my 1280x1024 screen with a browser taking up nearly all of that vertical space: http://imgur.com/Z6aeQ http://imgur.com/Z6aeQ Where's the content?