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> I don't believe most Tesla owners are aware of this. Most that I know see an obvious choice in a product with no real competition. Cybertruck isn't even rele

> I don't believe most Tesla owners are aware of this. Most that I know see an obvious choice in a product with no real competition. Cybertruck isn't even released yet, all the dates here are 2024. Meanwhile, Ford 150 Lightning and Rivian actually exist (and have existed for literally years). You can't even properly call the Cybertruck a competitor until its truly available. And the low-price model has a "might be released in 2025, we don't have the specs either" right there front and center. That's not competition, that's vaporware.

nomel 3y ago
> Cybertruck isn't even released yet, all the dates here are 2024. I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying that only the purchase of a Cybertruck is related to this "behavior", but not a Model 3/Y/X/S, when you said: > And buying a Cybertruck does imply that you either (a) agree with or (b) are ambivalent about Musk's behaviour. Is there some Cybertruck related behavior I'm not aware of? Maybe you could state the behavior that Cybertruck and/or Tesla owners are supposedly agreeing with/ambivalent about?
- dragontamer 3y ago
  > real competition Cybertruck isn't real competition yet. EDIT: Anyone who is seriously considering a vehicle in this form factor is looking at F150 Lightning and/or Rivian right now. The $61k Cybertruck has a "maybe by 2025" date stamped right there, and the $80k Cybertruck says "2024" at the earliest, with no actual month specified. I think we're all assuming that's "January 2024", but... none of us actually know that. If GM Silverado's EV comes into widespread production/release before Cybertruck its just going to be that much more hilarious. ------------ The _ONLY_ reason to consider Cybertruck is because you're into Elon's reality distortion field IMO. Anyone who needed a truck this year or last year already got one. And anyone thinking of one this month, or next month (barely: December 2023) ain't looking at Cybertruck either. Being a Cybertruck fan right now is about trusting Elon and saying "Yeah, I think he's still got this", despite all the other crap he's been doing this year. At least Model X / Model 3 / etc. etc. fans can say they bought the car before Elon went full tilt crazy with Twitter/X.
  - kortilla 3y ago
    > At least Model X / Model 3 / etc. etc. fans can say they bought the car before Elon went full tilt crazy with Twitter/X. The model 3 and Y sold incredibly well throughout the entire year long after the Twitter/X stuff. You’ll find out that most people don’t associate the cars with an endorsement for Elon outside of a small circle of internet outrage junkies. The ones that do tend to be quite hypocritically buying services and goods from companies that make use of outsourced poor working condition manufacturing (Apple/Samsung/Google). It’s only an “endorsement” when it’s someone else buying from a bad man and when you don’t want to buy. Presumably you’re also petitioning your representatives to cancel support for any SpaceX government contracts because you don’t want your tax dollars to fund SpaceX through NASA/NRO launch contracts?
    - dragontamer 3y ago
      I'm making a car argument here. Whatever specs and price you thought the Cybertruck was was completely wrong. This is $20,000+ over the initially advertised price with -20% payload/towing capacity and we haven't even gotten to to 3rd party tests yet. There is no $40,000 truck with 500 mile range here. The specs have come in grossly under what was hyped, while being years too late. Why would anyone still be considering Cybertruck now? The vaporware even continues for a couple more months since we still don't have a published start of sales date. ---------- If we get rid of specs and the promises/hype made, what is left is just politics and/or trust in Elon. And you have to get rid of specs to be pro-Cybertruck now because F150 Lightning is available, cheaper and well reviewed.
      - kortilla 3y ago
        > Why would anyone still be considering Cybertruck now? Because of its design and access to super charger network. The F150 lightning is absolute trash and if the Cybertruck turns out to have similar performance, most interested people will just be skipping electric trucks and going for gas. My local Ford lots are packed with both used and new lightnings because it turns out people don’t like an effective 120 mile range in cold/hot weather without even brining the joke towing range into account. You can be incredulous at the price, which is fine. But if you can’t possibly imagine why anyone would want to buy this, you’re not trying very hard. > The vaporware even continues for a couple more months since we still don't have a published start of sales date. Some customers have them now. That’s not vaporware anymore. Put down the axe you need to grind and be happy companies are trying to disrupt the gas truck market, because as of right now the options aren’t moving the needle.

nomel 3y ago

> Cybertruck isn't even released yet, all the dates here are 2024. I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying that only the purchase of a Cybertruck is related to this "behavior", but not a Model 3/Y/X/S, when you said: > And buying a Cybertruck does imply that you either (a) agree with or (b) are ambivalent about Musk's behaviour. Is there some Cybertruck related behavior I'm not aware of? Maybe you could state the behavior that Cybertruck and/or Tesla owners are supposedly agreeing with/ambivalent about?

dragontamer 3y ago
> real competition Cybertruck isn't real competition yet. EDIT: Anyone who is seriously considering a vehicle in this form factor is looking at F150 Lightning and/or Rivian right now. The $61k Cybertruck has a "maybe by 2025" date stamped right there, and the $80k Cybertruck says "2024" at the earliest, with no actual month specified. I think we're all assuming that's "January 2024", but... none of us actually know that. If GM Silverado's EV comes into widespread production/release before Cybertruck its just going to be that much more hilarious. ------------ The _ONLY_ reason to consider Cybertruck is because you're into Elon's reality distortion field IMO. Anyone who needed a truck this year or last year already got one. And anyone thinking of one this month, or next month (barely: December 2023) ain't looking at Cybertruck either. Being a Cybertruck fan right now is about trusting Elon and saying "Yeah, I think he's still got this", despite all the other crap he's been doing this year. At least Model X / Model 3 / etc. etc. fans can say they bought the car before Elon went full tilt crazy with Twitter/X.
- kortilla 3y ago
  > At least Model X / Model 3 / etc. etc. fans can say they bought the car before Elon went full tilt crazy with Twitter/X. The model 3 and Y sold incredibly well throughout the entire year long after the Twitter/X stuff. You’ll find out that most people don’t associate the cars with an endorsement for Elon outside of a small circle of internet outrage junkies. The ones that do tend to be quite hypocritically buying services and goods from companies that make use of outsourced poor working condition manufacturing (Apple/Samsung/Google). It’s only an “endorsement” when it’s someone else buying from a bad man and when you don’t want to buy. Presumably you’re also petitioning your representatives to cancel support for any SpaceX government contracts because you don’t want your tax dollars to fund SpaceX through NASA/NRO launch contracts?
  - dragontamer 3y ago
    I'm making a car argument here. Whatever specs and price you thought the Cybertruck was was completely wrong. This is $20,000+ over the initially advertised price with -20% payload/towing capacity and we haven't even gotten to to 3rd party tests yet. There is no $40,000 truck with 500 mile range here. The specs have come in grossly under what was hyped, while being years too late. Why would anyone still be considering Cybertruck now? The vaporware even continues for a couple more months since we still don't have a published start of sales date. ---------- If we get rid of specs and the promises/hype made, what is left is just politics and/or trust in Elon. And you have to get rid of specs to be pro-Cybertruck now because F150 Lightning is available, cheaper and well reviewed.
    - kortilla 3y ago
      > Why would anyone still be considering Cybertruck now? Because of its design and access to super charger network. The F150 lightning is absolute trash and if the Cybertruck turns out to have similar performance, most interested people will just be skipping electric trucks and going for gas. My local Ford lots are packed with both used and new lightnings because it turns out people don’t like an effective 120 mile range in cold/hot weather without even brining the joke towing range into account. You can be incredulous at the price, which is fine. But if you can’t possibly imagine why anyone would want to buy this, you’re not trying very hard. > The vaporware even continues for a couple more months since we still don't have a published start of sales date. Some customers have them now. That’s not vaporware anymore. Put down the axe you need to grind and be happy companies are trying to disrupt the gas truck market, because as of right now the options aren’t moving the needle.