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Palestinian children are unimportant? The conflict is a humanitarian crisis. We are directly funding it and providing the munitions for Israel to kill civilians

Palestinian children are unimportant? The conflict is a humanitarian crisis. We are directly funding it and providing the munitions for Israel to kill civilians. We don’t even need to be heavy handed. We just need to pull the plug on support. If by losing side you mean Israel, then yes I agree they have not acted in good faith for decades. Or do you think Israel killing 20k+ civilians, failing to achieve their military objectives, and Hamas being in a stronger position than ever is Israel winning?

Gibbon1 3y ago
What you are suggesting is that the US back Israel into a corner with the belief that that'll fix things. That's usually a bad idea which is why countries lead by reasonable people don't usually do that. And you're delusional if you think Israel has lost wars. They won the civil war with the Arab Palestinians. Won 1948 Arab–Israeli War. Won the 1967 Seven day war and Won the 1973 Yom Kippur War. In comparison the PLO and Hamas have lost every war they started with the Palestinians Arabs you pretend to care about being worse off each time. Usually someone in the position of the Palestinian Arabs should just take the offer of appeasement and move on.
- red-iron-pine 3y ago
  the '49 War happened the way it did because of the British Jewish Brigade was trained and fought in WW2 and a solid corps of them served as the backbone of the Haganah/Palmach. 5000 Palestinan Jews received British training and gear, many veterans of that unit carried British weapons into the 49 war. they won the Six Day War (six, not seven), because they received several credible intelligence tip-offs from the US, UK, and other sources related to the huge build-up of Arab forces. they launched an attack and completely caught the Arab militaries off guard before they could launch their own offensive -- which, again, wouldn't have happened without foreign help. they won the Yom Kippur War because the US military stripped it's divisions on Europe and sent all of the ammo and gear to Israel. In response, the Arab world kicked off the oil embargo, which kicked of a couple decades of economic malaise, basically until the dot-com boom of the 90s. the IDF punches above its weight, of that I have no doubt, but they only keep winning due to foreign help.
  - Gibbon1 3y ago
    You're working hard to make the Israeli wins illegitimate in order to justify atrocities against Israeli citizens and demands for a do over where genocide is perpetrated against the citizens of Israel. I'm not down with atrocities or genocide. And then one can ask who's war is this. And the answer is always it's the Middle Eastern Arab countries, the PLO and Hamas's war not the Israeli's. So your arguments don't sway me.
    - enterprise_cog 3y ago
      You are down with atrocities and genocide if you support Israel. They just killed over 20k civilians and displaced many thousands more. They killed their own people on the 7th. They killed their own hostages by bombing them without care. That’s the acts of a monstrous regime. Also it’s amusing that you say we can’t pressure Israel by pulling support, and then make other posts about how the west needs to keep pressure on Russia until they give up. So of course arguments don’t sway you, you have nothing to sway. You blindly support without a real thought in your head. Well, other than a hatred of Arabs and Russians.
      - Gibbon1 3y ago
        Whats going on in Gaza is what normal people disinterested people call war. And that war was started by the government of Gaza. Who's responsible, Hamas. You should really take a hard look at the people you see as champions. Because the reality is they're the ones that are preventing any resolution. Because normal people see them as extremely unsympathetic. And their perfected solution, terrorism and war crimes have no effect except to make the Palestinians problems worse. And your support for that means you are personally part of the problem.
        enterprise_cog 3y ago
        Way to ignore everything I said and come back with empty rhetoric. Your unconditional support of a murderous regime is the problem, pal.

Gibbon1 3y ago

What you are suggesting is that the US back Israel into a corner with the belief that that'll fix things. That's usually a bad idea which is why countries lead by reasonable people don't usually do that. And you're delusional if you think Israel has lost wars. They won the civil war with the Arab Palestinians. Won 1948 Arab–Israeli War. Won the 1967 Seven day war and Won the 1973 Yom Kippur War. In comparison the PLO and Hamas have lost every war they started with the Palestinians Arabs you pretend to care about being worse off each time. Usually someone in the position of the Palestinian Arabs should just take the offer of appeasement and move on.

red-iron-pine 3y ago
the '49 War happened the way it did because of the British Jewish Brigade was trained and fought in WW2 and a solid corps of them served as the backbone of the Haganah/Palmach. 5000 Palestinan Jews received British training and gear, many veterans of that unit carried British weapons into the 49 war. they won the Six Day War (six, not seven), because they received several credible intelligence tip-offs from the US, UK, and other sources related to the huge build-up of Arab forces. they launched an attack and completely caught the Arab militaries off guard before they could launch their own offensive -- which, again, wouldn't have happened without foreign help. they won the Yom Kippur War because the US military stripped it's divisions on Europe and sent all of the ammo and gear to Israel. In response, the Arab world kicked off the oil embargo, which kicked of a couple decades of economic malaise, basically until the dot-com boom of the 90s. the IDF punches above its weight, of that I have no doubt, but they only keep winning due to foreign help.
- Gibbon1 3y ago
  You're working hard to make the Israeli wins illegitimate in order to justify atrocities against Israeli citizens and demands for a do over where genocide is perpetrated against the citizens of Israel. I'm not down with atrocities or genocide. And then one can ask who's war is this. And the answer is always it's the Middle Eastern Arab countries, the PLO and Hamas's war not the Israeli's. So your arguments don't sway me.
  - enterprise_cog 3y ago
    You are down with atrocities and genocide if you support Israel. They just killed over 20k civilians and displaced many thousands more. They killed their own people on the 7th. They killed their own hostages by bombing them without care. That’s the acts of a monstrous regime. Also it’s amusing that you say we can’t pressure Israel by pulling support, and then make other posts about how the west needs to keep pressure on Russia until they give up. So of course arguments don’t sway you, you have nothing to sway. You blindly support without a real thought in your head. Well, other than a hatred of Arabs and Russians.
    - Gibbon1 3y ago
      Whats going on in Gaza is what normal people disinterested people call war. And that war was started by the government of Gaza. Who's responsible, Hamas. You should really take a hard look at the people you see as champions. Because the reality is they're the ones that are preventing any resolution. Because normal people see them as extremely unsympathetic. And their perfected solution, terrorism and war crimes have no effect except to make the Palestinians problems worse. And your support for that means you are personally part of the problem.
      - enterprise_cog 3y ago
        Way to ignore everything I said and come back with empty rhetoric. Your unconditional support of a murderous regime is the problem, pal.