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Big rigs used to not have power steering, i think with adrenaline you'll be able to steer. I do concede that the power steering fighting you would be bad

bravetraveler 3y ago
I just want feedback from the road, wires don't give me that
- kuhsaft 3y ago
  You can absolutely get feedback from steer-by-wire. Ask any racing sim enthusiast. Those racing sim wheels can provide enough feedback to rip the wheel out of your hands.
  - bravetraveler 3y ago
    That "feedback" doesn't meet my poorly framed hyperbole. I'm intimately familiar as a driver; both in sims and Real Fast Cars. At what point does it go from feedback to lies? Some computer saying "yep, this is what's happening", if you're lucky. I'll yield that has been the trend for eons. That said, I don't want more of it. What lead to my first comment is the understanding that Tesla doing something where it's... different wires. Bus vs Ethernet or whatever. It sounds even more muted/numb. I don't want a real car to feel like a sim. It's getting harder to tell the difference for the wrong reasons. It's not that the simulators are closing the gap, but that the cars are becoming simulators. Lowering standards is definitely one way to meet them. Take your "we have feedback at home" and keep it I'm half joking through most of this, by the way. The problem is there but I'm deliberately overstating it
    - kllrnohj 3y ago
      It's important to keep in mind what the actual market for the vehicle is. It's not a sports car. Road feel is an anti-goal, it's undesirable in this market. Just like it's undesirable in the market for the Lexus - luxury SUVs. All you want here is some dynamic weighting for cornering loads and even then not that much of it.
      - bravetraveler 3y ago
        Yea, that's fair. Antithetical, these 'boats' are likely well served by not feeling as much I'd appreciate more feel in something basic like an Altima. Not even for remotely high performance situations I can already hear the road, I might as well feel it /s More importantly, how my tires are reacting to it. For something so underpowered they spin in the wet from a complete stop, something awful.

bravetraveler 3y ago

I just want feedback from the road, wires don't give me that

kuhsaft 3y ago
You can absolutely get feedback from steer-by-wire. Ask any racing sim enthusiast. Those racing sim wheels can provide enough feedback to rip the wheel out of your hands.
- bravetraveler 3y ago
  That "feedback" doesn't meet my poorly framed hyperbole. I'm intimately familiar as a driver; both in sims and Real Fast Cars. At what point does it go from feedback to lies? Some computer saying "yep, this is what's happening", if you're lucky. I'll yield that has been the trend for eons. That said, I don't want more of it. What lead to my first comment is the understanding that Tesla doing something where it's... different wires. Bus vs Ethernet or whatever. It sounds even more muted/numb. I don't want a real car to feel like a sim. It's getting harder to tell the difference for the wrong reasons. It's not that the simulators are closing the gap, but that the cars are becoming simulators. Lowering standards is definitely one way to meet them. Take your "we have feedback at home" and keep it I'm half joking through most of this, by the way. The problem is there but I'm deliberately overstating it
  - kllrnohj 3y ago
    It's important to keep in mind what the actual market for the vehicle is. It's not a sports car. Road feel is an anti-goal, it's undesirable in this market. Just like it's undesirable in the market for the Lexus - luxury SUVs. All you want here is some dynamic weighting for cornering loads and even then not that much of it.
    - bravetraveler 3y ago
      Yea, that's fair. Antithetical, these 'boats' are likely well served by not feeling as much I'd appreciate more feel in something basic like an Altima. Not even for remotely high performance situations I can already hear the road, I might as well feel it /s More importantly, how my tires are reacting to it. For something so underpowered they spin in the wet from a complete stop, something awful.