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It's bizarre that this has been allowed, and that lawmakers didn't immediately fix this hole in the regulations as soon as they noticed car manufacturers taking

by mcv 3y ago

It's bizarre that this has been allowed, and that lawmakers didn't immediately fix this hole in the regulations as soon as they noticed car manufacturers taking advantage of it.

akira2501 3y ago
It's bizarre that in the middle of a oil market crisis it wasn't expected that the consumer market wouldn't have moved to higher MPG vehicles on it's own anyways. To me, this is one of the hallmarks of a highly monopolized market where consumers don't have any actual choices, and where competition for consumer approval is almost entirely absent. The correct answer would have been to increase the number of companies manufacturing vehicles, not passing laws that constrained a market and possibly lead to an overall decrease. Now we have a market that's almost entirely bound to congressional whim and mostly disconnected from consumer demand.
- GenerWork 3y ago
  >Now we have a market that's almost entirely bound to congressional whim Agree 100% >mostly disconnected from consumer demand Disagree. Sedans are still around (Camry, Corolla, Civic, Accord), but consumers are voting with their wallets for crossovers. Ford killed the Focus and Fusion because they simply couldn't be sold for a profit since most people didn't get the high end models, and to be honest, I'm surprised Chevy still makes the Malibu. The Company Formerly Known As Chrysler doesn't even make a car anymore.
  - akira2501 3y ago
    > Ford killed the Focus and Fusion because they simply couldn't be sold for a profit since most people didn't get the high end models They stopped providing it as a model to the American market. It's based off a Ford platform, though, and other automakers are continuing to use that platform. The Focus also continues to be a model in European markets. During the beginning of the pandemic there were also parts shortages. Many manufacturers stopped making their lower end vehicles and only produced the higher end ones with the limited parts they could get, because, they can convert those parts into higher profits. I think these decisions are best viewed as the awful intersection of short term wall street thinking combined with latent and intentionally imperfect measures of consumer demand.
    - anticensor 3y ago
      Ford Europe also stops producing Focus sadly.
      - Aromasin 3y ago
        Still produced in the UK: https://www.ford.co.uk/cars/focus https://www.ford.co.uk/cars/focus
  - acdha 3y ago
    > Sedans are still around (Camry, Corolla, Civic, Accord), but consumers are voting with their wallets for crossovers This is objectively true but it’s happening against three decades of marketing pushing SUVs hard and especially the messaging that if you drive a small car you’re putting your safety at risk. I think there’s an arm’s race here which is going to be hard to stop absent something causing gas prices to spike or a shift in insurance requirements.
    - Nition 3y ago
      Weirdly the same thing has happened with smartphones. Every phone is a truck.
      - mcv 3y ago
        A small phone puts your safety at risk? But you're right that there's far too little choice in smartphones. They're all fragile thin big touch screens. In the early days, you had smartphones made out of steel with sliding keyboards. What happened to that?
    - hibikir 3y ago
      Given that the damage to roads is linked to miles, and then the square of the vehicle's weight, it'd not be difficult for a state to stop putting the road maintenance related taxes on gas itself, and instead just measure those two things. Odometer change, times the square of the weight. Suddenly the really large truck that carries a single person is far more expensive to run than a sedan. Something kind of like this is already done with stickers for electric cars in many states: Doing that for every car is just extending the program. It won't happen though, because a lot of people would be angry to internalize the cost of their choices
      - alexanderchr 3y ago
        It’s more than the square. I’m I remember right it’s to the 4th power of axle weight.
      - acdha 3y ago
  - throwaway_13140 3y ago
    > The Company Formerly Known As Chrysler doesn't even make a car anymore. Dodge Charger
    - deleted 3y ago
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    - Kirby64 3y ago
      Both the charger and challenger are discontinued and won’t be made after this year.
  - mcv 3y ago
    The problem is that you get unfair competition if one type of car is held to different standards than another type. Pickups and SUVs should be held to the same standards of regular cars. And maybe also require a stricter driving license, because from everything I hear, they're a lot more dangerous.
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by mcv 3y ago

It's bizarre that this has been allowed, and that lawmakers didn't immediately fix this hole in the regulations as soon as they noticed car manufacturers taking advantage of it.

akira2501 3y ago

It's bizarre that in the middle of a oil market crisis it wasn't expected that the consumer market wouldn't have moved to higher MPG vehicles on it's own anyways. To me, this is one of the hallmarks of a highly monopolized market where consumers don't have any actual choices, and where competition for consumer approval is almost entirely absent. The correct answer would have been to increase the number of companies manufacturing vehicles, not passing laws that constrained a market and possibly lead to an overall decrease. Now we have a market that's almost entirely bound to congressional whim and mostly disconnected from consumer demand.

GenerWork 3y ago
>Now we have a market that's almost entirely bound to congressional whim Agree 100% >mostly disconnected from consumer demand Disagree. Sedans are still around (Camry, Corolla, Civic, Accord), but consumers are voting with their wallets for crossovers. Ford killed the Focus and Fusion because they simply couldn't be sold for a profit since most people didn't get the high end models, and to be honest, I'm surprised Chevy still makes the Malibu. The Company Formerly Known As Chrysler doesn't even make a car anymore.
- akira2501 3y ago
  > Ford killed the Focus and Fusion because they simply couldn't be sold for a profit since most people didn't get the high end models They stopped providing it as a model to the American market. It's based off a Ford platform, though, and other automakers are continuing to use that platform. The Focus also continues to be a model in European markets. During the beginning of the pandemic there were also parts shortages. Many manufacturers stopped making their lower end vehicles and only produced the higher end ones with the limited parts they could get, because, they can convert those parts into higher profits. I think these decisions are best viewed as the awful intersection of short term wall street thinking combined with latent and intentionally imperfect measures of consumer demand.
  - anticensor 3y ago
    Ford Europe also stops producing Focus sadly.
    - Aromasin 3y ago
      Still produced in the UK: https://www.ford.co.uk/cars/focus https://www.ford.co.uk/cars/focus
- acdha 3y ago
  > Sedans are still around (Camry, Corolla, Civic, Accord), but consumers are voting with their wallets for crossovers This is objectively true but it’s happening against three decades of marketing pushing SUVs hard and especially the messaging that if you drive a small car you’re putting your safety at risk. I think there’s an arm’s race here which is going to be hard to stop absent something causing gas prices to spike or a shift in insurance requirements.
  - Nition 3y ago
    Weirdly the same thing has happened with smartphones. Every phone is a truck.
    - mcv 3y ago
      A small phone puts your safety at risk? But you're right that there's far too little choice in smartphones. They're all fragile thin big touch screens. In the early days, you had smartphones made out of steel with sliding keyboards. What happened to that?
  - hibikir 3y ago
    Given that the damage to roads is linked to miles, and then the square of the vehicle's weight, it'd not be difficult for a state to stop putting the road maintenance related taxes on gas itself, and instead just measure those two things. Odometer change, times the square of the weight. Suddenly the really large truck that carries a single person is far more expensive to run than a sedan. Something kind of like this is already done with stickers for electric cars in many states: Doing that for every car is just extending the program. It won't happen though, because a lot of people would be angry to internalize the cost of their choices
    - alexanderchr 3y ago
      It’s more than the square. I’m I remember right it’s to the 4th power of axle weight.
    - acdha 3y ago
- throwaway_13140 3y ago
  > The Company Formerly Known As Chrysler doesn't even make a car anymore. Dodge Charger
  - deleted 3y ago
    [deleted]
  - Kirby64 3y ago
    Both the charger and challenger are discontinued and won’t be made after this year.
- mcv 3y ago
  The problem is that you get unfair competition if one type of car is held to different standards than another type. Pickups and SUVs should be held to the same standards of regular cars. And maybe also require a stricter driving license, because from everything I hear, they're a lot more dangerous.
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