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There is something quite shocking (pardon the pun) to older car enthusiasts about just how fast off the line dual-motor EVs are. The super coupes of one’s yout
by rgmerk 3y ago
There is something quite shocking (pardon the pun) to older car enthusiasts about just how fast off the line dual-motor EVs are.
The super coupes of one’s youth are utterly obliterated on the dragstrip, not by EV coupes, but by family SUVs and pickup trucks.
That said, just because they can go fast in a straight line doesn’t make them in any way equivalent to a 911. Give me a mountain pass or a racetrack, (and no kids or stuff to carry) and I’ll take the 911 every single time.
- rurp 3y agoOr a route that's more than a couple hundred miles :)
- rainsford 3y agoAlso a 911 looks like a cool sports car, while the cybertruck looks like it's being rendered by a Super Nintendo. A lot of the attraction of sports cars is the cool aesthetic, which your average family SUV or pickup truck really doesn't have, and the cybertruck has a negative amount of.
- starcraft2wol 3y agoI don't think this comment will age well.
- enjoylife 3y agoIf the “Lindy effect” holds true for the 911, it might be quite a long time before the 911 and its variants go out of style. The same cannot be said for the cyber truck, and all of the other short lived prototype cars that have very harsh angular lines.
- starcraft2wol 3y agovery harsh angular lines == faddish design?
- pmcjones 3y agoThe 911 will be 60 in 2024.
- partiallypro 3y agoThe 911 has the highest average resale value, relative to the original price, of any car on Earth. It depreciates less than any other vehicle. I don't think you're going to be correct.
- mensetmanusman 3y agodepends on when countries make ice less road legal...
- rgmerk 3y agoI don’t think that’s how the end of ICE vehicles will happen. It’ll be death by a thousand cuts. New ICE vehicles will be increasingly rare in showrooms. There will be bans in city centres. Gas stations will start to disappear. Those that remain will be required to sell blends with increasing amounts of non-fossil derived gasoline, which will be considerably more expensive than current prices, and far more expensive to run. Eventually, driving ICE vehicles will be like horse riding today - a niche, expensive, smelly hobby that is conducted well outside city limits.
- toast0 3y agoPeople might grow to like the Cybertruck. A yellow xTerra looks like a normal car now, and I remember them being totally bonkers. But a Cybertruck is always going to look like it wandered out of StuntRaceFX.
- Wytwwww 3y agoWell it's a car that might as well have been designed by an 8 year old who is not at all artistically gifted. To each his own I guess...
- dgacmu 3y agoI drove a rented SUV a few weeks ago (GMC Acadia Denali) that had quite shocking acceleration -- 310 horsepower or so -- and the handling of a dead fish. It was kind of scary, and overall a really unpleasant experience. I don't understand why the manufacturer would choose that combination other than being able to market the HP. And this was gas, not EV.
- rainsford 3y agoThis seems like a fairly common point as well in car reviews. Super fast cars of any type are only fun in a very limited set of circumstances, most of them not on a normal road. In contrast, even your daily commute can be made more fun with a car that's lightweight or has good handling or an engaging manual shifter or whatever. It's basically the entire premise of the Mazda Miata. It's an unfortunate trend with EVs too (thanks in large part to Tesla IMO). You can get a ton of acceleration with big electric motors and batteries, but the car will otherwise drive like ass because it's so heavy and so little attention has been paid to anything besides speed.
- pornel 3y agoInstant torque makes lots of people grin. Most BEVs also have low center of gravity and even mass distribution, so they’re not as bad as a heavy ICE car. On public roads, 0-30mph acceleration is probably most fun you can have within realm of legal and sensible driving. Handling is not an issue at speed limits of public roads.
- caconym_ 3y agoLimiting EV torque off the line is probably one of the lowest-hanging emissions reduction fruits out there, given that (by estimates I've seen) tire wear for current EVs is in aggregate 20-50% faster than ICE vehicles.
- pornel 3y agoThe tire thing you've heard has been started by one article that misleadingly bundled tire and breakpad particles with all other emissions summed up by weight. This was extremely misleading breakdown, because it discounted all of the ICE gases that are toxic, but weigh almost nothing, and lighter combustion particles that stay in the air, versus tire particles that are typically heavier and stay on the ground. Of course worn tires aren't environmentally neutral, but that framing was used as a regressive "gotcha" in EVs vs ICE, without daring to mention any real solutions like reversing heavy macho-pickup-truck and SUV fashion created by a workaround for emissions regulation, or moving freight from trucks to rail.
- mint2 3y agoInsurance executives are also shocked and worried. But it’s really just an extension of what’s been happening with massive pickup trucks given ridiculous Hp.
- xbmcuser 3y agoThere is a reason all supercar makers came out with electric supercars as when it comes to acceleration you can't beat it. And as more cars are build from the ground up to run electric I think electric would be a better drive.
- tgsovlerkhgsel 3y agoThis also makes an EV the best tool for convincing "EVs are not manly enough" kind of types, which I expect to be an actually meaningful hurdle in the highly polarized US. I don't think many people will forget the first time they were in any not entirely underpowered EV when the driver floored it. That's likely one of the reasons for Tesla's success - EVs sell EVs, and Teslas sell Teslas. Tesla can skimp on marketing, the customers do it for them by showing the cars off and the cars sell themselves.
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- brucethemoose2 3y agoThe (soon to be) street legal McMurtry Spéirling would like a word. I guarantee no Porsche 911 on the planet keep up with an F1 car like that can.
- rgmerk 3y agoYes, and they're not the only ones building EV sports cars. Personally, while it's not an EV, I'd take one of these at less than one-tenth the price: [1] https://www.hyperracer.com/x1racer https://www.hyperracer.com/x1racer Also makes mincemeat of Porsche 911s on most circuits, particularly the ones amateurs actually get the chance to drive at regularly.
- tibbydudeza 3y agoSadly the Fast & Furious franchise made the quarter-mile the definition of how a car is meant to be judged.
- grvdrm 3y agoYes - for me 911 or my ultimate dream: M3. And the best part: you will still enjoy it even when you are going slow or sitting idle because both cars SOUND amazing. Maybe I’m a purist but as a 41 year old adult I still sprint off my couch to look out the window every time I hear an interesting car pass by my house.
- DennisP 3y agoTo each their own I guess. I'm in my 50s but ever since I test-drove a Tesla, and the car pressed me back in my seat with just a quiet swoosh, all that noise has just seemed superfluous and old-fashioned.