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Elon said a long time ago they wanted their vehicles to be a smackdown for Internal Combustion Engines, and I think they're getting there. This is the kind of m

by grecy 3y ago

Elon said a long time ago they wanted their vehicles to be a smackdown for Internal Combustion Engines, and I think they're getting there. This is the kind of marketing that make regular people go "Wait, what? How is that possible?". More than about 10 years ago that was simply unheard of, and I'm certain people would have said it was impossible. Useful or not, it's a very impressive thing to do. 99% of automakers would be happy if they could build a sports scar faster than a 911, let alone a pickup with 11,000lbs towing capacity.

bryanlarsen 3y ago
AFAICT, sports cars faster than a 911 are relatively common. What automakers would be happy to beat would be the 911's handling.
- grecy 3y ago
  > AFAICT, sports cars faster than a 911 are relatively common Can you provide a list please? You are very much mistaken without getting into supercar territory.
  - bryanlarsen 3y ago
    AFAICT, Tesla was testing against a base model 911. The list would be pretty short comparing against a Turbo S.
    - grecy 3y ago
      I'm asking for a list of production vehicle that don't cost as much as a house that run a sub 11 quarter mile. You said "sports cars faster than a 911 are relatively common", so you should be able to pull together a big list easily.
      - valval 3y ago
        You’ll be let down if you expect people to be talking about things they know about on HN.
  - Tempest1981 3y ago
    Agreed. This site has some good filters: https://www.zeroto60times.com/3-second-cars-0-60-mph-times/?yearMin=2023 https://www.zeroto60times.com/3-second-cars-0-60-mph-times/?... (scroll down) Several are EVs, not true sports cars
ska 3y ago
> a sports care faster than a 911 Eh, it's not really interesting if you can't corner. Lots of trucks aren't actually bad at it, all you need is a ton of torque, tires that can take it, and enough weight and length to keep the front end down. Easy enough any automaker can do it if they choose, but 1/4 mile numbers are a mostly meaningless pissing contest unless you are actually building drag cars. Now if Tesla built anything that handled up near Porsche territory, that would be interesting. I guess they sort of did with the 1st one, but that was Lotus's chassis.
- grecy 3y ago
  > * Easy enough any automaker can do it if they choose* Ahh, no. The Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat with 707 horsepower runs a 11.4 [1] That is the very definition of a car built to go fast in a straight line. Massive engine, supercharger, massive rear tires, and it's slower than the Cybertruck. > Lots of trucks aren't actually bad at it Please show me a truck that gets even remotely close to a sub 11 quarter mile. Heck, show me a production sports car (that isn't a super car as expensive as a house) that does. [1] https://fastestlaps.com/models/dodge-charger-srt-hellcat https://fastestlaps.com/models/dodge-charger-srt-hellcat
  - ska 3y ago
    The comparison is with the 0-60 of a 911, remember? And even then I didn't say the truck would win, just that they are not bad at it (it being, 0-60) out-of-the box. Current F-150s are in the high 3s/low 4s on 0-60. So are some 911's. The 911s will have most of second on them in a 1/4 i guess, but the fords are still pulling 12s which isn't slow. The point was only that truck form factor lends itself to ok 1/4 mile times. Not that anyone should care :) NB: I didn't say any of these would beat a big electric. Electric motors have real advantages here, nobody claims otherwise. And yes point remains for any automaker trying to set up a car to compete with a 911. Getting a similar 1/4 mile time would be about the easiest part...
  - theluketaylor 3y ago
    Hellcats are built to go fast in a straight line with the limitations of a 20+ year old platform. Beating a vehicle Dodge spent about $20 developing in a shed with a giant pushrod engine and hand-me-down parts they got from 90s Mercedes Benz isn't that big an accomplishment. Going fast in a straight line is easy for electric motors, so it's just not that impressive. It's like a native speaker enrolling in language 101. The A doesn't really mean anything. EVs have been up against the limits of tire adhesion for years now. EVs with impressive sustained track times are far more interesting since that's actually hard to achieve. Batteries are heavy and that's killer for a real race car. That 911 will pound hot lap after hot lap until the fuel tank is empty like it's nothing if the owner ticked the ceramic brake option. I suspect the Cybertruck will run out of cooling long before it drains the battery and I guarantee it will cook the brakes hauling itself down from 130 mph. Edit: plus F-150 Raptor R does a 12.1 quarter mile. That's pretty close to running 11s.

by grecy 3y ago

bryanlarsen 3y ago

AFAICT, sports cars faster than a 911 are relatively common. What automakers would be happy to beat would be the 911's handling.

grecy 3y ago
> AFAICT, sports cars faster than a 911 are relatively common Can you provide a list please? You are very much mistaken without getting into supercar territory.
- bryanlarsen 3y ago
  AFAICT, Tesla was testing against a base model 911. The list would be pretty short comparing against a Turbo S.
  - grecy 3y ago
    I'm asking for a list of production vehicle that don't cost as much as a house that run a sub 11 quarter mile. You said "sports cars faster than a 911 are relatively common", so you should be able to pull together a big list easily.
    - valval 3y ago
      You’ll be let down if you expect people to be talking about things they know about on HN.
- Tempest1981 3y ago
  Agreed. This site has some good filters: https://www.zeroto60times.com/3-second-cars-0-60-mph-times/?yearMin=2023 https://www.zeroto60times.com/3-second-cars-0-60-mph-times/?... (scroll down) Several are EVs, not true sports cars

ska 3y ago

> a sports care faster than a 911 Eh, it's not really interesting if you can't corner. Lots of trucks aren't actually bad at it, all you need is a ton of torque, tires that can take it, and enough weight and length to keep the front end down. Easy enough any automaker can do it if they choose, but 1/4 mile numbers are a mostly meaningless pissing contest unless you are actually building drag cars. Now if Tesla built anything that handled up near Porsche territory, that would be interesting. I guess they sort of did with the 1st one, but that was Lotus's chassis.

grecy 3y ago
> * Easy enough any automaker can do it if they choose* Ahh, no. The Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat with 707 horsepower runs a 11.4 [1] That is the very definition of a car built to go fast in a straight line. Massive engine, supercharger, massive rear tires, and it's slower than the Cybertruck. > Lots of trucks aren't actually bad at it Please show me a truck that gets even remotely close to a sub 11 quarter mile. Heck, show me a production sports car (that isn't a super car as expensive as a house) that does. [1] https://fastestlaps.com/models/dodge-charger-srt-hellcat https://fastestlaps.com/models/dodge-charger-srt-hellcat
- ska 3y ago
  The comparison is with the 0-60 of a 911, remember? And even then I didn't say the truck would win, just that they are not bad at it (it being, 0-60) out-of-the box. Current F-150s are in the high 3s/low 4s on 0-60. So are some 911's. The 911s will have most of second on them in a 1/4 i guess, but the fords are still pulling 12s which isn't slow. The point was only that truck form factor lends itself to ok 1/4 mile times. Not that anyone should care :) NB: I didn't say any of these would beat a big electric. Electric motors have real advantages here, nobody claims otherwise. And yes point remains for any automaker trying to set up a car to compete with a 911. Getting a similar 1/4 mile time would be about the easiest part...
- theluketaylor 3y ago
  Hellcats are built to go fast in a straight line with the limitations of a 20+ year old platform. Beating a vehicle Dodge spent about $20 developing in a shed with a giant pushrod engine and hand-me-down parts they got from 90s Mercedes Benz isn't that big an accomplishment. Going fast in a straight line is easy for electric motors, so it's just not that impressive. It's like a native speaker enrolling in language 101. The A doesn't really mean anything. EVs have been up against the limits of tire adhesion for years now. EVs with impressive sustained track times are far more interesting since that's actually hard to achieve. Batteries are heavy and that's killer for a real race car. That 911 will pound hot lap after hot lap until the fuel tank is empty like it's nothing if the owner ticked the ceramic brake option. I suspect the Cybertruck will run out of cooling long before it drains the battery and I guarantee it will cook the brakes hauling itself down from 130 mph. Edit: plus F-150 Raptor R does a 12.1 quarter mile. That's pretty close to running 11s.