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Bed does not fit a full sheet of plywood, so a deal-breaker for practical truck buyers. You’d assume 96” would be a default parameter in any generative model f

by adfm 3y ago

Bed does not fit a full sheet of plywood, so a deal-breaker for practical truck buyers. You’d assume 96” would be a default parameter in any generative model focused on “optimum truck.” Am I missing something? Enlighten me.

neogodless 3y ago
Every full size pick-up truck defaults to a 6-6.5' foot bed size (in modern times). Some offer 8' beds but it's relatively rare in practice (as in, most people opt for a quad/crew cab without the long bed). All of them can handle 8' plywood with the bed down, just like this 6' bed on the Cybertruck. Even the Ford Maverick can handle an 8' sheet of plywood by using an adjusted-height tailgate and the wheel wells. https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/models/f150-xl/ https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/models/f150-xl/ (Note they offer 5.5', 6.5' and 8' beds. If you go to build, and just click through the defaults, you will not get an 8' bed.) https://www.mavericktruckclub.com/forum/threads/hauling-plywood-experience.8956/ https://www.mavericktruckclub.com/forum/threads/hauling-plyw... Nothing wrong with insisting on it if it fits your needs, but you do not need an 8' bed to haul plywood.
- dymk 3y ago
  > Literally every full size pick-up truck defaults to a 6-6.5' foot bed size. Nope > Some offer 8' beds but it's relatively rare in practice. Also nope
  - neogodless 3y ago
    https://www.jdpower.com/cars/shopping-guides/short-bed-vs-long-bed-pickup-trucks https://www.jdpower.com/cars/shopping-guides/short-bed-vs-lo... > The standard bed of a pickup truck is typically 6'5" long (So... yup.) I can't find statistics on sales, but I rarely see trucks with 8' beds. Sure there are people that buy regular cab, 8' beds, and even some serious professionals that get an HD crew cab with the 8' bed (which is a monstrously long truck!) But in general that is not what I see. Thus... "rare." (So... yup.)
    - dymk 3y ago
      "Standard" does not mean "the average". That's a marketing term of art. You won't see "Standard" beds on jobsites. You'll see long beds, because you can fit a sheet goods in them. > I can't find statistics on sales, but I rarely see trucks with 8' beds You probably aren't around job sites very much
      - neogodless 3y ago
        Sure. And I would agree that the trucks you see on job sites are, by necessity, more "practical" truck buyers than what is typical. That doesn't mean it's what most truck buyers buy though. (Since way more people buy trucks than those driving them to job sites.)
    - saalweachter 3y ago
      > which is a monstrously long truck! And then they park in the trailer parking spots, grumble grumble grumble.
- adfm 3y ago
  Trucks are meant to haul. Anything with less than an 8' bed are truck-shaped cars for all practical purposes and should be taxed accordingly because they're a waste of resources and contribute to the decline of the environment. Crew cabs are just an excuse to drive around in something truck-shaped. The term is carpool not truckpool. If you're driving to and from a job site with others in the vehicle, it's either part of the fleet or you're not getting paid enough.
  - defrost 3y ago
    > Trucks are meant to haul. Agreed. > Anything with less than an 8' bed ... WTF? Doesn't your truck have a Hayman-Reese hitch, anti swaybars, various carry racks; don't you have several different trailers - single and double axle, light weight and heavy tonnage, caravans and animal floats? I'm starting to wonder if, in fact, you've got any kind of working vehicle setup at all. Crew cabs are so you can haul a fire pump trailer out to spot blazes with four people, tools, along with bulk water tank pumps, etc.
    - adfm 3y ago
      Sounds like a fleet vehicle. The dually's at the ranch and has an 8' bed. No stacks. No 5" tips. Beat to shit, brown, with a bad starter.
      - defrost 3y ago
        Typically W.Australian setups haul trailers and often use vans, private and fleet. The advantage of towing is you can have multiple preset ready to go "job type" trailers | floats | caravans that can be detached at work area, leaving vehicle free to travel elsewhere. I'm just pushing back at the GP insistance on the "one true" working vehicle setup and dislike for crew cabs - getting people to unpaved sites across fields and scrambling is pretty much the reason for getting any kind of high clearance vehicle, be it 2WD or 4WD.
        adfm 3y ago
        Used to have an old crew cab with 8’ bed, but it was too long for our driveway. I loved that truck, crew cab and all. But that was years ago. I live in an area prone to wildfires, so I can understand the need for 4WD, etc. We have two SUVs in the driveway, but I don’t call them trucks.
grecy 3y ago
> Bed does not fit a full sheet of plywood, so a deal-breaker for practical truck buyers. Specifically said it does with the tailgate down, which is the norm for anything that doesn't have an 8' bed. > You’d assume 96” would be a default parameter in any generative model focused on “optimum truck.” Am I missing something? Enlighten me. I can only assume they made a tradeoff between cabin space, bed length and overall vehicle length. There is no perfect, only tradeoffs.
quickthrowman 3y ago
I’d say around 1% of new pickup trucks have an 8’ bed, if that. You ever seen a super duty (1-ton) crew cab truck with an 8’ bed? They’re like 22-23’ long, it’s ridiculous. Not being able to carry sheet goods in the bed is something it shares virtually every other truck on the road. On a short-bed regular truck, you can get a roof rack along with posts that go in the back corners of the bed to create a rack capable of holding sheet goods, pipe, lumber, ladders, etc. Regardless, why would you schlep around sheet goods in a pickup bed when you can have the supply house deliver them? The contractors I work with don’t waste time running to Home Depot to buy material, it’s delivered to the site by a supply house, courier, or company truck.
turtlebits 3y ago
You can't get a Toyota Tacoma with an 8 ft bed, which IMO is the most practical truck model. An 8ft bed truck that can only carry 3 passengers is not very practical. I regularly purchase 8'x4' sheet goods in my Tacoma with no issue.
twobitshifter 3y ago
That’s why I rent the Home Depot truck with the 10’ bed for $25. Manufacturers found people want a second row instead of a longer bed at some point, must have been some convincing A/B testing in the 90s.
- adfm 3y ago
  The Home Depot truck is an actual truck. Anything with a second row and a bed less than 8' is a truck-shaped car.

by adfm 3y ago

neogodless 3y ago

Every full size pick-up truck defaults to a 6-6.5' foot bed size (in modern times). Some offer 8' beds but it's relatively rare in practice (as in, most people opt for a quad/crew cab without the long bed). All of them can handle 8' plywood with the bed down, just like this 6' bed on the Cybertruck. Even the Ford Maverick can handle an 8' sheet of plywood by using an adjusted-height tailgate and the wheel wells. https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/models/f150-xl/ https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/models/f150-xl/ (Note they offer 5.5', 6.5' and 8' beds. If you go to build, and just click through the defaults, you will not get an 8' bed.) https://www.mavericktruckclub.com/forum/threads/hauling-plywood-experience.8956/ https://www.mavericktruckclub.com/forum/threads/hauling-plyw... Nothing wrong with insisting on it if it fits your needs, but you do not need an 8' bed to haul plywood.

dymk 3y ago
> Literally every full size pick-up truck defaults to a 6-6.5' foot bed size. Nope > Some offer 8' beds but it's relatively rare in practice. Also nope
- neogodless 3y ago
  https://www.jdpower.com/cars/shopping-guides/short-bed-vs-long-bed-pickup-trucks https://www.jdpower.com/cars/shopping-guides/short-bed-vs-lo... > The standard bed of a pickup truck is typically 6'5" long (So... yup.) I can't find statistics on sales, but I rarely see trucks with 8' beds. Sure there are people that buy regular cab, 8' beds, and even some serious professionals that get an HD crew cab with the 8' bed (which is a monstrously long truck!) But in general that is not what I see. Thus... "rare." (So... yup.)
  - dymk 3y ago
    "Standard" does not mean "the average". That's a marketing term of art. You won't see "Standard" beds on jobsites. You'll see long beds, because you can fit a sheet goods in them. > I can't find statistics on sales, but I rarely see trucks with 8' beds You probably aren't around job sites very much
    - neogodless 3y ago
      Sure. And I would agree that the trucks you see on job sites are, by necessity, more "practical" truck buyers than what is typical. That doesn't mean it's what most truck buyers buy though. (Since way more people buy trucks than those driving them to job sites.)
  - saalweachter 3y ago
    > which is a monstrously long truck! And then they park in the trailer parking spots, grumble grumble grumble.
adfm 3y ago
Trucks are meant to haul. Anything with less than an 8' bed are truck-shaped cars for all practical purposes and should be taxed accordingly because they're a waste of resources and contribute to the decline of the environment. Crew cabs are just an excuse to drive around in something truck-shaped. The term is carpool not truckpool. If you're driving to and from a job site with others in the vehicle, it's either part of the fleet or you're not getting paid enough.
- defrost 3y ago
  > Trucks are meant to haul. Agreed. > Anything with less than an 8' bed ... WTF? Doesn't your truck have a Hayman-Reese hitch, anti swaybars, various carry racks; don't you have several different trailers - single and double axle, light weight and heavy tonnage, caravans and animal floats? I'm starting to wonder if, in fact, you've got any kind of working vehicle setup at all. Crew cabs are so you can haul a fire pump trailer out to spot blazes with four people, tools, along with bulk water tank pumps, etc.
  - adfm 3y ago
    Sounds like a fleet vehicle. The dually's at the ranch and has an 8' bed. No stacks. No 5" tips. Beat to shit, brown, with a bad starter.
    - defrost 3y ago
      Typically W.Australian setups haul trailers and often use vans, private and fleet. The advantage of towing is you can have multiple preset ready to go "job type" trailers | floats | caravans that can be detached at work area, leaving vehicle free to travel elsewhere. I'm just pushing back at the GP insistance on the "one true" working vehicle setup and dislike for crew cabs - getting people to unpaved sites across fields and scrambling is pretty much the reason for getting any kind of high clearance vehicle, be it 2WD or 4WD.
      - adfm 3y ago
        Used to have an old crew cab with 8’ bed, but it was too long for our driveway. I loved that truck, crew cab and all. But that was years ago. I live in an area prone to wildfires, so I can understand the need for 4WD, etc. We have two SUVs in the driveway, but I don’t call them trucks.

grecy 3y ago

> Bed does not fit a full sheet of plywood, so a deal-breaker for practical truck buyers. Specifically said it does with the tailgate down, which is the norm for anything that doesn't have an 8' bed. > You’d assume 96” would be a default parameter in any generative model focused on “optimum truck.” Am I missing something? Enlighten me. I can only assume they made a tradeoff between cabin space, bed length and overall vehicle length. There is no perfect, only tradeoffs.

quickthrowman 3y ago

I’d say around 1% of new pickup trucks have an 8’ bed, if that. You ever seen a super duty (1-ton) crew cab truck with an 8’ bed? They’re like 22-23’ long, it’s ridiculous. Not being able to carry sheet goods in the bed is something it shares virtually every other truck on the road. On a short-bed regular truck, you can get a roof rack along with posts that go in the back corners of the bed to create a rack capable of holding sheet goods, pipe, lumber, ladders, etc. Regardless, why would you schlep around sheet goods in a pickup bed when you can have the supply house deliver them? The contractors I work with don’t waste time running to Home Depot to buy material, it’s delivered to the site by a supply house, courier, or company truck.

turtlebits 3y ago

You can't get a Toyota Tacoma with an 8 ft bed, which IMO is the most practical truck model. An 8ft bed truck that can only carry 3 passengers is not very practical. I regularly purchase 8'x4' sheet goods in my Tacoma with no issue.

twobitshifter 3y ago

That’s why I rent the Home Depot truck with the 10’ bed for $25. Manufacturers found people want a second row instead of a longer bed at some point, must have been some convincing A/B testing in the 90s.

adfm 3y ago
The Home Depot truck is an actual truck. Anything with a second row and a bed less than 8' is a truck-shaped car.