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I get that people don't care or understand this, but that's also saying he cc's OpenAI, and therefore probably Microsoft, and therefore almost definitely the NS

I get that people don't care or understand this, but that's also saying he cc's OpenAI, and therefore probably Microsoft, and therefore almost definitely the NSA, on all his business communications. What a world.

beebeepka 3y ago
I've seen people do this on the same week as mandatory trainings featuring this exact scenario. At multiple companies
gnulinux 3y ago
People won't care until something major happens and after that they'll implement some draconian half-measure that doesn't fix anything like snooping on office WiFi.
- exikyut 3y ago
  How's that even supposed to work, given that the average corporate ecosystem is so vastly cloud-based now that the majority of services use desktop and mobile apps that pin HTTPS certificates?
almostnormal 3y ago
> [...] and therefore probably Microsoft [...] Where it will go through teams, outlook/exchange, or O365. Not leaking data is no longer as easy as it used to be. Just some forms are more accepted than others.
pixl97 3y ago
As good as the average corporate IT security is that I've witnessed via my work, passing said data to NSA/OpenAI is the least of their issues. Far less scrupulous hackers are running amok as it is.
zztop44 3y ago
About 0.1% (0.001%??) of business communication might have adverse consequences for you/your company if forwarded to Microsoft or OpenAI or the NSA. The rest is absolutely fine. And you’re probably already using Gmail or Android or Chrome or Exchange365 or iOS or *something* that could theoretically forward your comms to a tech company (and the security state). Compared to the alternative of having your colleagues think you’re a bit stupid just because you were raised speaking a language other than English, or your parents weren’t middle class… using Grammarly or ChatGPT is a no brainer. I’d support anyone using whatever tools they can to overcome discrimination and thrive. The alternatives are: 1. Educate everyone in the company to stop discriminating against people based on language ability (impossible??) 2. Provide a local self-hosted version of the tools (although as a worker at RandomCorp, I would probably prefer to forward all my comms to Microsoft than to management!) 3. Tell people facing discrimination to just shut up and deal with it.
- jeremyjh 3y ago
  Given the context of an engineer with such poor writing skills that they can't be promoted I'd say the odds anything they write mattering to Microsoft or the NSA are quite a lot closer to 0%. In the only circumstances that it did matter, I'd guess you're not unlikely to be better off with them in the loop anyway since we're talking deep cover industrial espionage.
bongodongobob 3y ago
Man, I don't know where most of the people here work, but the shit most people write about in their jobs is inconsequential and not super secret. It's performance reviews and meeting notes. 99.99% of the workforce isn't writing about the company's secret sauce... Ever. Maybe director level and up. Also, most companies make physical things, not software, so there's no secret sauce to share through email anyway.
- Georgelemental 3y ago
  > most companies make physical things, not software, so there's no secret sauce to share through email anyway. The conclusion does not follow from the premises.
  - bongodongobob 3y ago
    Sure it does. There's no secret to making boxes, or installing glass windows, or making frozen pizzas, or ordering gravel, or installing breakers, or paving sidewalks. Very very few companies make something that actually sets them apart via a trade secret. And sure, there might be some tricks in those examples but it's not putting anyone out of business via being accidentally found a year from now in accidentally leaked partial training data. My last job was Director of IT and I'm absolutely sick and tired of security fear mongering. Turn on MFA for everything. Boom. You are now secured from 99.9999% of attacks. Chat GPT is absolutely the least of my concerns.
natbennett 3y ago
I’m not sure how to explain this but Microsoft doesn’t need OpenAI to get access to business emails.

beebeepka 3y ago

I've seen people do this on the same week as mandatory trainings featuring this exact scenario. At multiple companies

gnulinux 3y ago

People won't care until something major happens and after that they'll implement some draconian half-measure that doesn't fix anything like snooping on office WiFi.

exikyut 3y ago
How's that even supposed to work, given that the average corporate ecosystem is so vastly cloud-based now that the majority of services use desktop and mobile apps that pin HTTPS certificates?

almostnormal 3y ago

> [...] and therefore probably Microsoft [...] Where it will go through teams, outlook/exchange, or O365. Not leaking data is no longer as easy as it used to be. Just some forms are more accepted than others.

pixl97 3y ago

As good as the average corporate IT security is that I've witnessed via my work, passing said data to NSA/OpenAI is the least of their issues. Far less scrupulous hackers are running amok as it is.

zztop44 3y ago

About 0.1% (0.001%??) of business communication might have adverse consequences for you/your company if forwarded to Microsoft or OpenAI or the NSA. The rest is absolutely fine. And you’re probably already using Gmail or Android or Chrome or Exchange365 or iOS or *something* that could theoretically forward your comms to a tech company (and the security state). Compared to the alternative of having your colleagues think you’re a bit stupid just because you were raised speaking a language other than English, or your parents weren’t middle class… using Grammarly or ChatGPT is a no brainer. I’d support anyone using whatever tools they can to overcome discrimination and thrive. The alternatives are: 1. Educate everyone in the company to stop discriminating against people based on language ability (impossible??) 2. Provide a local self-hosted version of the tools (although as a worker at RandomCorp, I would probably prefer to forward all my comms to Microsoft than to management!) 3. Tell people facing discrimination to just shut up and deal with it.

jeremyjh 3y ago
Given the context of an engineer with such poor writing skills that they can't be promoted I'd say the odds anything they write mattering to Microsoft or the NSA are quite a lot closer to 0%. In the only circumstances that it did matter, I'd guess you're not unlikely to be better off with them in the loop anyway since we're talking deep cover industrial espionage.

bongodongobob 3y ago

Man, I don't know where most of the people here work, but the shit most people write about in their jobs is inconsequential and not super secret. It's performance reviews and meeting notes. 99.99% of the workforce isn't writing about the company's secret sauce... Ever. Maybe director level and up. Also, most companies make physical things, not software, so there's no secret sauce to share through email anyway.

Georgelemental 3y ago
> most companies make physical things, not software, so there's no secret sauce to share through email anyway. The conclusion does not follow from the premises.
- bongodongobob 3y ago
  Sure it does. There's no secret to making boxes, or installing glass windows, or making frozen pizzas, or ordering gravel, or installing breakers, or paving sidewalks. Very very few companies make something that actually sets them apart via a trade secret. And sure, there might be some tricks in those examples but it's not putting anyone out of business via being accidentally found a year from now in accidentally leaked partial training data. My last job was Director of IT and I'm absolutely sick and tired of security fear mongering. Turn on MFA for everything. Boom. You are now secured from 99.9999% of attacks. Chat GPT is absolutely the least of my concerns.

natbennett 3y ago

I’m not sure how to explain this but Microsoft doesn’t need OpenAI to get access to business emails.